Duncan Fletcher Blasts Australia

[social]

So in other words you've got absolutely no evidence to say that Fletcher is wrong.

And I note that nobody has shown how these 8 minutes are enough time to have a full massage etc.

Why do you keep going on about 8 minutes.

The fact is that Solanki, Pratt and whichever other professional fieldsman they called in from outside the squad after teams were announced spent literally hours at a time on the ground.

Oh, but let me guess, that never happened because Dunc told me it didnt

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Why do you keep going on about 8 minutes.

The fact is that Solanki, Pratt and whichever other professional fieldsman they called in from outside the squad after teams were announced spent literally hours at a time on the ground.

Oh, but let me guess, that never happened because Dunc told me it didnt

That's been going on since I can remember over here, coach/captain says to a county "who's your best young fielder", and if he's not on duty for his team he plays as sub. All about trying to "blood" a youngster, get him wanting to play Test match cricket etc, now't sinister with that, ie Pratt. Don't recall any Aus team moaning about it when they were thrashing us ....

Trevor Penney however....yeah I think that was taking the Michael

 

[parttimer]

England would have won the Edgbaston Test by 50-odd runs rather than two if the correct decision had have been given at the time. Bad umpiring affected both teams.

Pontings frustration was magnified by how unlucky Warne was and had been throughout the series. He was getting consecutive good shouts turned down at various stages and this is when Ponting complained. Justifiably so imo.

 

[Sanz]

Yes, they will, but once the book is released, the press can pick up on whatever they want - so will automatically pick the bits they think will make the most headlines.

So if you buy a book, you can publish it in a national newspapers without the permission of the author ?? Ever heard the word 'Copyright' ??

 

[honestbharani]

Because a) they're better known, and b) they're more likely to comment.

The (b) part was my point. Hayden is more likely to comment on things that hardly concern him and so would McGrath, but the same won't happen with Langer or Martyn or even Gilchrist at times.

 

[honestbharani]

Another reason they didn't ask Lee may have been because he'd have said summat like "ahh look mate the best team wan and hey we can talk about this-and-that bat we have to work harda? n' hey you know we can all blame decisions bat it's six o' one half dazan the other during a series??.." etc.

Not really tabloid stuff is it.

So, in other words, he would have handled it sensibly.

 

[honestbharani]

Martyn has got his chance in the past and it lasted about 2 years or 17 tests.

So in that case, Hayden will be dropped the next time he has 3 consecutive bad tests?

 

[Dasa]

So if you buy a book, you can publish it in a national newspapers without the permission of the author ?? Ever heard the word 'Copyright' ??

The newspapers can get the serialisation rights to a book (which is what has been done in this case) and then they can print whatever they want from it - so naturally, they choose the most 'controversial' parts.

 

[Sanz]

So in that case, Hayden will be dropped the next time he has 3 consecutive bad tests?

...and australia loses the ashes.

 

[honestbharani]

Anyways, u know my point. It was still harsh on Martyn. At least, Australia won the test that Martyn did well in. Same cannot be said of Hayden.

 

[Sanz]

The newspapers can get the serialisation rights to a book (which is what has been done in this case) and then they can print whatever they want from it - so naturally, they choose the most 'controversial' parts.

Well that means Mr. Fletcher has given the newspaper rights to post whatever he want and newspaper chooses the most 'controversial part' and that obviously means one thing more publicity for the book.

 

[marc71178]

Well considering your English and hence the beneficiary of said poor decisions, i guess u wouldn't be too unhappy with the umpiring

Funny how one only ever notices the poor decisions that go against one's side isn't it?

 

[marc71178]

Why do you keep going on about 8 minutes.

Because the rule allows 8 minutes for someone to go off without it affecting their rights to bowling, yet England are apparently using these 8 minutes to go off and have a massage etc to get loose to bowl - how can they do that in such a short time - something nobody has been able to tell us yet, funnily enough.

The fact is that Solanki, Pratt and whichever other professional fieldsman they called in from outside the squad after teams were announced spent literally hours at a time on the ground.

If that is so, you'll obviously be able to prove it.

The only time in the Ashes it happened was when Jones was injured and Pratt fielded - and since when has that been against the rules?

 

[marc71178]

Trevor Penney however....yeah I think that was taking the Michael

No it wasn't - with the 12th man on the field for an injury, they needed someone to cover the comfort breaks, and he was at the ground so got asked to do it.

 

[parttimer]

Funny how one only ever notices the poor decisions that go against one's side isn't it?

On the whole, Australia got the majority of poor decisions. They seemed to come in bundles aswell. eg Ponting and Martyns inside edge lb's, and Warne on several occasions.

 

[Scaly piscine]

On the whole, Australia got the majority of poor decisions. They seemed to come in bundles aswell. eg Ponting and Martyns inside edge lb's, and Warne on several occasions.

England's bowlers created more 'chances'. When Australia held out for a draw there were at least a dozen close lbw calls that all went with Australia on that last day, yes they were all correctly given not out, but if you as a team have a dozen of those when you bowl and the opposition has a couple who's more likely to benefit from the odd one that goes your way? As for Martyn's lbw shortly after Ponting - virtually no-one would have seen that inside edge first time.

 

[parttimer]

England's bowlers created more 'chances'. When Australia held out for a draw there were at least a dozen close lbw calls that all went with Australia on that last day, yes they were all correctly given not out, but if you as a team have a dozen of those when you bowl and the opposition has a couple who's more likely to benefit from the odd one that goes your way? As for Martyn's lbw shortly after Ponting - virtually no-one would have seen that inside edge first time.

Yes i agree with all that. I am not saying Eng were not better than Australia and they did deserve the Ashes. I am trying to point out that Ponting did have cause to confront the umpires over the crook decisions they made.

 

[Dasa]

Yes i agree with all that. I am not saying Eng were not better than Australia and they did deserve the Ashes. I am trying to point out that Ponting did have cause to confront the umpires over the crook decisions they made.

He had cause to be disappointed. He didn't have cause to confront the umpires - no player should be doing that.

 

[parttimer]

He had cause to be disappointed. He didn't have cause to confront the umpires - no player should be doing that.

It is part of the captains job as far as i am concerned. To say Ponting 'confronted' the umps, as DF said he did is ott imo, he more 'questioned', or 'complained' as i saw it. His dissapointment may have 'shone' thru but not to the point where he was aggressive or overly hostile.

 

[social]

Because the rule allows 8 minutes for someone to go off without it affecting their rights to bowling, yet England are apparently using these 8 minutes to go off and have a massage etc to get loose to bowl - how can they do that in such a short time - something nobody has been able to tell us yet, funnily enough.




If that is so, you'll obviously be able to prove it.

The only time in the Ashes it happened was when Jones was injured and Pratt fielded - and since when has that been against the rules?

Utter nonsense.

Opposition players, officials and commentators have been complaining about it for years.

Eng fielded substitute fieldsmen for the vast majority of the ODIs and the tests.

Other teams choose not to take advantage of the loop-hole because it is against the spirit of the game and defies the basic tenet of the game, which is X1 plays X1.

I do not blame Eng for doing it but please do not play holier than thou when discussing teams attitudes.

BTW, leaving the ground to have a massage to get loose is illegal and it was not an Australian that highlighted it, it was Michael Holding.