DoG's ODI Batting and Bowling Performances

[Days of Grace]

SRs in the same game tends to be skewed by extremely bad or extremely good performances/ The chance of era adjusted stats is skewed far less even by extreme outliers. if outliers affect the baseline then it creates a issue.

Would I then need to adjust the runs scored by era? How would I separate the eras? Would I then separate the eras by host country? There are a number of rabbits holes that I could potentially go down but I have learnt that it is often better to keep things as simple as possible for both my own sanity and for the reader's understanding. However, your post about the ratings of 1st innings batting performances being skewed by the poor batting of the opposition chasing did give me the idea of penalizing 1st innings performances according to the margin of victory, so thanks for that!

Here is an updated list, with requests in bold:

		Runs	S/R	Opposition	Opp. Rating	Venue	Year	Inns	Result	Rating
1​	IVA Richards	189*	111.17	England	561	Manchester	1984	1	Won	20.38
2​	N Kapil Dev	175*	126.81	Zimbabwe	289	Tunbridge Wells	1983	1	Won	18.56
3​	HH Gibbs	175	157.65	Australia	531	Johannesburg	2006	2	Won	18.42
4​	LRPL Taylor	181*	123.12	England	557	Dunedin	2018	2	Won	18.16
5​	MJ Guptill	237*	145.39	West Indies	503	Wellington	2015	1	Won	17.97
6​	DI Gower	158	133.89	New Zealand	651	Brisbane	1983	1	Won	17.88
7​	ST Jayasuriya	189	117.39	India	541	Sharjah	2000	1	Won	17.58
8​	Javed Miandad	116*	101.75	India	652	Sharjah	1986	2	Won	17.42
9​	V Kohli	183	123.64	Pakistan	622	Mirpur	2012	2	Won	17.09
10​	KJ O'Brien	113	179.36	England	589	Bengaluru	2011	2	Won	17.07
11​	AC Gilchrist	149	143.26	Sri Lanka	664	Bridgetown	2007	1	Won	16.91
12​	IVA Richards	138*	87.89	England	487	Lord's	1979	1	Won	16.68
13​	MG Bracewell	127*	154.87	Ireland	461	Dublin (Malahide)	2022	2	Won	16.65
14​	MS Dhoni	183*	126.2	Sri Lanka	640	Jaipur	2005	2	Won	16.62
15​	MG Bevan	78*	88.63	West Indies	598	Sydney	1996	2	Won	16.59
16​	A Symonds	143*	114.4	Pakistan	609	Johannesburg	2003	1	Won	16.55
17​	RG Sharma	264	152.6	Sri Lanka	478	Eden Gardens	2014	1	Won	16.49
18​	Abdul Razzaq	109*	151.38	South Africa	558	Abu Dhabi	2010	2	Won	16.34
19​	MP Stoinis	146*	124.78	New Zealand	546	Auckland	2017	2	Lost	16.23
20​	AR Border	127*	90.71	West Indies	757	Sydney	1985	1	Won	16.18
21​	SR Waugh	120*	109.09	South Africa	676	Leeds	1999	2	Won	16.16
22​	DJ Malan	114*	78.62	Bangladesh	595	Mirpur	2023	2	Won	16.07
23​	SR Watson	185*	192.7	Bangladesh	545	Mirpur	2011	2	Won	16.05
24​	DL Houghton	142	103.64	New Zealand	522	Hyderabad (Deccan)	1987	2	Lost	15.90
25​	Saeed Anwar	194	132.87	India	520	Chennai	1997	1	Won	15.85
26​	CD McMillan	117	121.87	Australia	570	Hamilton	2007	2	Won	15.81
27​	BC Lara	169	131	Sri Lanka	497	Sharjah	1995	1	Won	15.74
28​	JC Buttler	110*	90.16	Australia	385	Manchester	2018	2	Won	15.60
29​	V Sehwag	110	118.27	New Zealand	497	Dambulla	2010	1	Won	15.44
30​	V Kohli	160*	100.62	South Africa	528	Cape Town	2018	1	Won	15.41
31​	GA Gooch	115	84.55	India	681	Wankhede	1987	1	Won	15.35
32​	BC Lara	111	118.08	South Africa	572	Karachi	1996	1	Won	15.26
33​	V Sehwag	219	146.97	West Indies	495	Indore	2011	1	Won	15.12
34​	MG Bevan	102*	107.36	New Zealand	538	Melbourne	2002	2	Won	15.09
35​	BA Stokes	84*	85.71	New Zealand	613	Lord's	2019	2	Tied	15.09
36​	MG Bracewell	140	179.48	India	553	Hyderabad	2023	2	Lost	14.81
37​	PA de Silva	107*	86.29	Australia	697	Lahore	1996	2	Won	14.80
38​	EJG Morgan	148	208.45	Afghanistan	586	Manchester	2019	1	Won	14.74
39​	SR Tendulkar	134	102.29	Australia	590	Sharjah	1998	2	Won	14.55
40​	NJ Astle	117	78	India	413	Colombo (RPS)	2001	1	Won	14.55
41​	CL Cairns	102*	103.03	South Africa	572	Brisbane	2002	2	Won	14.35
42​	GD Elliott	84*	115.06	South Africa	655	Auckland	2015	2	Won	14.26
43​	CH Lloyd	102	120	Australia	459	Lord's	1975	1	Won	14.12
44​	SR Tendulkar	200*	136.05	South Africa	524	Gwalior	2010	1	Won	14.08
45​	BB McCullum	86*	94.5	Australia	570	Hamilton	2007	2	Won	14.06
46​	CL Cairns	102*	90.26	India	499	Nairobi	2000	2	Won	13.99
47​	RT Ponting	140*	115.7	India	598	Johannesburg	2003	1	Won	13.68
48​	V Kohli	133*	154.65	Sri Lanka	578	Hobart	2012	2	Won	13.57
49​	AB de Villiers	149	338.63	West Indies	469	Johannesburg	2015	1	Won	13.22
50​	MS Dhoni	91*	115.18	Sri Lanka	590	Wankhede	2011	2	Won	13.08
51​	ME Waugh	110	98.21	New Zealand	532	Chennai	1996	2	Won	13.01
52​	IVA Richards	153*	117.69	Australia	430	Melbourne	1979	1	Won	12.98
53​	CZ Harris	130	104.83	Australia	582	Chennai	1996	1	Lost	12.43
54​	SR Tendulkar	143	109.16	Australia	581	Sharjah	1998	2	Lost	12.22
55​	Fakhar Zaman	114	107.54	India	579	The Oval	2017	1	Won	11.98
56​	BB McCullum	59	226.92	South Africa	655	Auckland	2015	2	Won	10.61

 

[Ali TT]

I wrote in the original post that this is a work in progress. What Tendulkar knocks would you like me to check?

Maybe you should just run through all Sachin's centuries now and get it out of the way? Although then someone will probably moan that you missed some special 55 he scored against Zimbabwe in 1993...

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

How would Chris Woakes 95* vs Sri Lanka (Nottingham, 2016) rate?

 

[Sunil1z]

My request:

Ganguly 183 vs SL 1999 WC
Viv Richards 181 vs SL 1987 WC
Jayasuriya 151 vs IND 1997

 

[Ali TT]

How would Chris Woakes 95* vs Sri Lanka (Nottingham, 2016) rate?

What about Plunkett's 22 off 11 in the same game, including a 6 to tie the match?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

do only winning innings qualify? because sachin's desert storm knock or his 98 vs pak in the 2003 wc not making it while michael bracewell's does is very amusing

No, bcos Bracewell's losing one in India is there as is Stoinis vs NZ

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Why is the opposition rating for the 1996 Australian World Cup attack 582 vs NZ in the qf against Chris Harris, but suddenly 697 for Aravinda DS in the final?

I've checked and the attacks were the same (didn't note the overs each bowled)


Reiffel
Fleming
McGrath
M Waugh
Warne
Bevan
S Waugh

 

[Shri]

No, bcos Bracewell's losing one in India is there as is Stoinis vs NZ

yeah a shitty list that can't be taken seriously then cheers

 

[Jarquis]

yeah a ****ty list that can't be taken seriously then cheers

Mate, it’s been mentioned plenty of times it isn’t a complete list.
If there’s an innings that hasn’t been included that you’d like to see then you could just ask like everyone else…

 

[Victor Ian]

Dean Jones 145

AUS vs ENG Cricket Scorecard, 9th Match at Brisbane, December 16, 1990

Live Cricket Scoreboard: Get Australia vs England 9th Match, cricket scorecard, Benson & Hedges World Series 1990/91 dated December 16, 1990.

www.espncricinfo.com

 

[thierry henry]

Macewell playing 2 of the best 36 innings of all time in his first 12 months of ODI cricket is so crazy that I ain’t even mad at it. Like, they were both objectively insane innings.

 

[_00_deathscar]

I wrote in the original post that this is a work in progress. What Tendulkar knocks would you like me to check?

I reckon his 175 was a better innings than the 200 for example - think that would be a regularly held view. Just interesting/curious what makes the list and what doesn’t - sometimes the “problem” with statistics/numbers I suppose!
The 90-odd vs Pakistan in the World Cup too, but probably doesn’t make it on aggregate of runs alone.

 

[DCH]

Where would these rate...

Fakhar Zaman 193 vs SAF
Gambhir 98 in WC final
David Miller 139 vs Aus at Hobart
V Sehwag 112 vs NZ at Auckland

 

[honestbharani]

I reckon his 175 was a better innings than the 200 for example - think that would be a regularly held view. Just interesting/curious what makes the list and what doesn’t - sometimes the “problem” with statistics/numbers I suppose!
The 90-odd vs Pakistan in the World Cup too, but probably doesn’t make it on aggregate of runs alone.

I have it as his best ODI innings ever. Better than desert storm knocks, which I feel are a tad overrated now and even his WC knocks.

 

[ankitj]

I am sure 2-3 knocks of Zaheer Abbas can be candidates. He played many whirlwind knocks for someone with such a short career.

 

[Days of Grace]

Why is the opposition rating for the 1996 Australian World Cup attack 582 vs NZ in the qf against Chris Harris, but suddenly 697 for Aravinda DS in the final?

I've checked and the attacks were the same (didn't note the overs each bowled)


Reiffel
Fleming
McGrath
M Waugh
Warne
Bevan
S Waugh

Good question!

Let's look at the bowlers for each match and their ratings. The final rating for each bowler is a combination of their rating at the completion of the match and their career peak rating with a ratio of 2:1.

I only count the five members of the attack who bowled the most overs plus any other member who bowled 10% or more of their team's overs. The points are then weighted by how many balls each member bowled.

Quarter final (Chris Harris 130):

	Rating at completion of match	Career peak rating	Final rating	Points distribution
SK Warne	777​	787​	780​	186​		60​	52​	2​
MG Bevan	240​	384​	288​	69​		60​	52​	1​
GD McGrath	726​	903​	785​	168​		54​	50​	2​
ME Waugh	454​	456​	455​	87​		48​	43​	1​
DW Fleming	557​	731​	615​	73​		30​	20​	1​
PR Reiffel						24​	38​	1​
SR Waugh						24​	25​	0​
TOTAL POINTS				582​

Michael Bevan bowled his full quota of overs which meant that overall the team's rating went down. Mark Waugh also bowled 8 overs.

Final (Aravinda de Silva 107*):

	Rating at completion of match	Career peak rating	Final rating	Points distribution
SK Warne	766​	787​	773​	192​		60​	0​	58​	0​
PR Reiffel	709​	814​	744​	184​		60​	0​	49​	1​
GD McGrath	734​	903​	790​	163​		50​	1​	28​	0​
DW Fleming	550​	731​	610​	91​		36​	0​	43​	1​
ME Waugh	444​	456​	448​	67​		36​	0​	35​	0​
SR Waugh						18​	0​	15​	0​
MG Bevan						18​	0​	12​	0​
TOTAL POINTS				697​

In this match the seamers bowled much more overs. In particular, Reiffel's rating replaces that of Bevan's. Thus it could be argued that De Silva faced more a higher quality of bowling than Harris did. The system is not perfect but it is as good as I can come up with at this stage.

 

[Jarquis]

Why does Warne contribute more points in the finale despite bowling the same number of balls whilst being rated lower?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Good question!

Let's look at the bowlers for each match and their ratings. The final rating for each bowler is a combination of their rating at the completion of the match and their career peak rating with a ratio of 2:1.

I only count the five members of the attack who bowled the most overs plus any other member who bowled 10% or more of their team's overs. The points are then weighted by how many balls each member bowled.

Quarter final (Chris Harris 130):

	Rating at completion of match	Career peak rating	Final rating	Points distribution
SK Warne	777​	787​	780​	186​		60​	52​	2​
MG Bevan	240​	384​	288​	69​		60​	52​	1​
GD McGrath	726​	903​	785​	168​		54​	50​	2​
ME Waugh	454​	456​	455​	87​		48​	43​	1​
DW Fleming	557​	731​	615​	73​		30​	20​	1​
PR Reiffel						24​	38​	1​
SR Waugh						24​	25​	0​
TOTAL POINTS				582​

Michael Bevan bowled his full quota of overs which meant that overall the team's rating went down. Mark Waugh also bowled 8 overs.

Final (Aravinda de Silva 107*):

	Rating at completion of match	Career peak rating	Final rating	Points distribution
SK Warne	766​	787​	773​	192​		60​	0​	58​	0​
PR Reiffel	709​	814​	744​	184​		60​	0​	49​	1​
GD McGrath	734​	903​	790​	163​		50​	1​	28​	0​
DW Fleming	550​	731​	610​	91​		36​	0​	43​	1​
ME Waugh	444​	456​	448​	67​		36​	0​	35​	0​
SR Waugh						18​	0​	15​	0​
MG Bevan						18​	0​	12​	0​
TOTAL POINTS				697​

In this match the seamers bowled much more overs. In particular, Reiffel's rating replaces that of Bevan's. Thus it could be argued that De Silva faced more a higher quality of bowling than Harris did. The system is not perfect but it is as good as I can come up with at this stage.

Also Chris Harris (and Lee Germon) dominated the top bowlers which forced Mark Taylor to use his part-timers. Anyway, sorry to quibble as it is a really interesting list.

 

[honestbharani]

That Aus bowling attack had a great semi, esp. Warne.

 

[Days of Grace]

Why does Warne contribute more points in the finale despite bowling the same number of balls whilst being rated lower?

Because Australia didn’t get to bowl their full 50 overs in the final so Warne’s contribution in terms of percentage of balls bowled was greater.