Does Jadeja make your India ATG XI?

[Spark]

Exactly ..Spin bowling was bowled in SENA before half of the subcontinent were even countries ..lecturing about spin to the inventors of the artform is a bit rich.

let's not go there

 

[GirthQuake]

Exactly ..Spin bowling was bowled in SENA before half of the subcontinent were even countries ..lecturing about spin to the inventors of the artform is a bit rich.

You appear to be a special type. Commiserations. Life must be tough?

 

[Socerer 01]

Exactly ..Spin bowling was bowled in SENA before half of the subcontinent were even countries ..lecturing about spin to the inventors of the artform is a bit rich.

its a bit of a circular logic though isnt it? everything from batting to bowling and fielding is going to be attributed to those places because thats where cricket originated and developed professionally 1st

 

[Silver Silva]

SENA have produced better spinners than Asia has throughout Test and FC history..Spin bowling was developed in this region first. Don't let recency bias make you believe SENA pitches have never help produce great spinners.

I wouldn't say better but definitely once upon a time spin bowling was a nightmare to face in SENA ..Way worse than anything Asia has produced ..

I'm thinking about matted wickets ..sticky dogs in England where it rains a lot and the pitches were uncovered .That surely explains why so many spinners dominate the most wickets list on FC cricket. That's why I never understood why SENA folk lose their minds when the pitches turn big in the subcontinent.
Jadeja would have been a nightmare on uncovered pitches for sure.

 

[Sunil1z]

Exactly ..Spin bowling was bowled in SENA before half of the subcontinent were even countries ..lecturing about spin to the inventors of the artform is a bit rich.

Absolutely garbage post .
What you mean to say that since spin bowling originated in SENA countries, we shouldn’t criticise them for the pitches they have been producing recently in last 10 years .

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Absolutely garbage post .
What you mean to say that since spin bowling originated in SENA countries, we shouldn’t criticise them for the pitches they have been producing recently in last 10 years .

Batting has gotten tough everywhere in the last 10 years that's not my point..Girth boy is making it seem that spin has never thrived in SENA with his generalisations which is not true at all.

 

[Sunil1z]

Batting has gotten tough everywhere in the last 10 years that's not my point..Girth boy is making it seem that spin has never thrived in SENA with his generalisations which is not true at all.

Then he is completely wrong and so are you.
I believe ENG , NZand SA used to produce balanced pitches till 2013/14 ( year May be off )
Aus used to produce balanced pitch till mid 90s .
Nowadays all these countries have become a nightmare for spin bowlers.

 

[Spark]

Then he is completely wrong and so are you.
I believe ENG , NZand SA used to produce balanced pitches till 2013/14 ( year May be off )
Aus used to produce balanced pitch till mid 90s .
Nowadays all these countries have become a nightmare for spin bowlers.

I don't think you'll find many people who are enthusiastic about 2000s and early 2010s Australian pitches other than Facebook boomers tbf.

 

[Sunil1z]

I don't think you'll find many people who are enthusiastic about 2000s and early 2010s Australian pitches other than Facebook boomers tbf.

Tbh I like the pitches of Aus recently. I think balance has been restored. It isn’t road anymore.

 

[Spark]

Tbh I like the pitches of Aus recently. I think balance has been restored. It isn’t road anymore.

Oh yeah absolutely. Can't complain about the watchability of the summer just gone, for example.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Then he is completely wrong and so are you.
I believe ENG , NZand SA used to produce balanced pitches till 2013/14 ( year May be off )
Aus used to produce balanced pitch till mid 90s .
Nowadays all these countries have become a nightmare for spin bowlers.

That’s cos they want to nullify the Ashwin/Jadeja threat for when India tour. And rightly so.
They still role out spinny pitches for other teams

 

[Socerer 01]

That’s cos they want to nullify the Ashwin/Jadeja threat for when India tour. And rightly so.
They still role out spinny pitches for other teams

in South Africa’s case it seems to be a ground thing with some being spin friendly like the ones where Maharaj and Harmer destroyed Bangladesh and the ones where Maharaj looks like a part time bowler against us

 

[Coronis]

SENA have produced better spinners than Asia has throughout Test and FC history..Spin bowling was developed in this region first. Don't let recency bias make you believe SENA pitches have never help produce great spinners.

Objectively wrong.

Is it? Looking at the most recent CW poll on spinners, 9 of the top 12 - Warne, O’Reilly, Laker, Grimmett, Verity, Tayfield, Underwood, Gibbs and Benaud - were from outside the SC, vs the 3 from within the SC - Murali, Kumble and Ashwin.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Then he is completely wrong and so are you.
I believe ENG , NZand SA used to produce balanced pitches till 2013/14 ( year May be off )
Aus used to produce balanced pitch till mid 90s .
Nowadays all these countries have become a nightmare for spin bowlers.

Durban and PE have been spin friendly for a long time so that's definitely completely wrong.

 

[Sunil1z]

Durban and PE have been spin friendly for a long time so that's definitely completely wrong.

Maybe they are . My opinion is based on the pitches of last 2 Test series between IND vs SA ( 5 Test sample )

 

[subshakerz]

For the record, my ATG XI for India (across all conditions):

Sunil Gavaskar
Virender Sehwag
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli (c)
Rishabh Pant (wk)
Ravindra Jadeja
Kapil Dev
Ravichandran Ashwin
Mohammed Shami
Jasprit Bumrah

Reserves: Vinoo Mankad, Anil Kumble, Bishen Singh Bedi, Ishant Sharma, Zaheer Khan, Cheteshwar Pujara, Rohit Sharma, Mahendra Singh Dhoni

If you say bowling is more important in tests, than why drop Kumble for an extra bat?

 

[Sunil1z]

If you say bowling is more important in tests, than why drop Kumble for an extra bat?

Because he believes Ashwin to be superior to Kumble. Kumble doesn’t make the cut .

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

You appear to be a special type. Commiserations. Life must be tough?

Aslong as you know the region which pioneered spin bowling then life will be great for me, I would hate for you to think that the carrom ball was invented by Ajantha Mendis.

 

[Xix2565]

If you say bowling is more important in tests, than why drop Kumble for an extra bat?

What Sunil1z said. The difference in bowling isn't big regardless of who you hold superior, and given Ashwin is overall a better bat it seems fine. Get to make up for the 'weakened' 7 you could say in terms of batting.

 

[Silver Silva]

Aslong as you know the region which pioneered spin bowling then life will be great for me, I would hate for you to think that the carrom ball was invented by Ajantha Mendis.

Hey leave our guys out of this topic