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Do Great Innings in Defeats Get Rated Unfairly?

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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Coronis said:
Interesting stat - of the 11 highest scores in losing causes, 4 took place at Adelaide (including the top 2) and 3 at Melbourne.

Anyway surely Astle’s 222 gotta be up there somewhere.
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Astle's 222 is a bit of a red herring. Chasing 550 or whatever it was, he wasn't viably part of any effort to chase it down. Cairns wasn't going to bat, either, in anyone's mind. It was an insane innings but at the part where it tangibly became a chase, under 100, he got out.

Warner's knock at Hobart in 2011 should be in consideration. Young guy, facing defeat at home, no one else had been able to score runs, remained unbeaten at the end,insane knock. So good, the powers that be got all giddy and gave him MOM.
 
The Hutt Rec

The Hutt Rec

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SteveNZ said:
Warner's knock at Hobart in 2011 should be in consideration. Young guy, facing defeat at home, no one else had been able to score runs, remained unbeaten at the end,insane knock. So good, the powers that be got all giddy and gave him MOM.
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I believe that was the one and only time in test cricket that MOTM was decided by viewers texting in.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
OverratedSanity said:
Absolutely not. I encourage you to watch the highlights video of that gavaskar game. There were balls bowled by the spinners that were bouncing over the keeper's head. I'm not joking.
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Even if this is true, Sachin faced a far better attack, with Wasim and Saqlain bowling at their best that day. And conditions were quite horrible for Sachin as well(especially if you take the scorching weather into account as well), if not quite as bad as Gavaskar’s.
 
OverratedSanity

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@Topic Absolutely yes. People have brainworms when they discuss "Match-winning" innings and always underestimate all the things that have to go right for a team to win. In my mind, a match winning innings in practice is one that takes your team from a bad position or a position of parity to one where they have a good chance to win the game. Whether the team actually wins the game is down to so many other things than the the knock itself.

You may argue 4th innings knocks are the closest thing that actually fit the literal definition of "match winning" but even there it needs a shitload of other things to have gone in your team's favour.
 
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Patience and Accuracy+Gut

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1.McCabe 187* in the 1st innings definitely the 1st one that spring to my mind and most likely the best ever.

Larwood in 1st innings took 5/96

And in 2nd innings took 5/28

A brilliant attack in general (Larwood, Voce, Allen, Verity, Hammond)

2.Smith 48* in the 2nd test against South Africa in 2016 against Philandar and Rabada is the another one that I can remember.

IIRC Australia got folded in 80 odd runs in the 1st innings.
 
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OverratedSanity

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That Smith Hobart innings looks good on the scorecard because of how inept his teammates were. He's played way better innings in losing causes.
 
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No it isn't. No one rates your face or posts highly. If you think that's unfair that's a value judgment for you.
 
Coronis

Coronis

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SteveNZ said:
Astle's 222 is a bit of a red herring. Chasing 550 or whatever it was, he wasn't viably part of any effort to chase it down. Cairns wasn't going to bat, either, in anyone's mind. It was an insane innings but at the part where it tangibly became a chase, under 100, he got out.
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Yeah but it only tangibly became a chase because of Astle. That team had no business being within 100 runs of winning that match.
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
The Tendulkar ton in a loss I remember was the 169 in Cape Town against peak Donald and Pollock. Azharuddin hit a swashbuckling Lucy 115 but Sachin was flawless. It took a ridiculous catch at the boundary to get him. Of course India lost miserably.

Yhat same year was also a highl my underrated 122(177) in Edgbaston on a green top, also in a loss, where India only scored 227 runs.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Coronis said:
Yeah but it only tangibly became a chase because of Astle. That team had no business being within 100 runs of winning that match.
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Very true. It was a hell of an innings. Crazy. All I was alluding to was that he'd played with a freedom that only existed because the game was seemingly far out of reach.

Incidentally, I remember that innings well - I was batting at the time. We were something like 80-9, and managed to put on 40 odd...but you reckon any of my team mates were watching? They were cheering and yelling at the TV, and us on field couldn't work out why. It actually ****ed me off that they were more interested in what was going on inside, until I found out :laugh:
 
The Hutt Rec

The Hutt Rec

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SteveNZ said:
Very true. It was a hell of an innings. Crazy. All I was alluding to was that he'd played with a freedom that only existed because the game was seemingly far out of reach.

Incidentally, I remember that innings well - I was batting at the time. We were something like 80-9, and managed to put on 40 odd...but you reckon any of my team mates were watching? They were cheering and yelling at the TV, and us on field couldn't work out why. It actually ****ed me off that they were more interested in what was going on inside, until I found out :laugh:
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In those days without internet we were playing at some random ground with no clubrooms, so I think someone might have got a text telling us about it haha. Luckily Sky replayed it heaps and the DVD came out, it's probably my most viewed innings ever now!
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
The Hutt Rec said:
In those days without internet we were playing at some random ground with no clubrooms, so I think someone might have got a text telling us about it haha. Luckily Sky replayed it heaps and the DVD came out, it's probably my most viewed innings ever now!
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Haha yeah we were pretty onto it technology-wise at Howick, the benefits of someone burning our clubrooms down at the turn of the century.

I had the DVD too, the ODI series was just as epic.
 
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