Dhoni v Gilchrist

[TheJediBrah]

Gilly has 4 kids so he's had *** at least 4 times

absolute stud

 

[Burgey]

@Migara surely Dilshan > Gilchrist. Tharanga too. Karunaratne, Thirimanne maybe as well.

It stands to reason that when you support a nation with as shitful a test record as SL, that you're going to put a disproportionate emphasis on LO formats.

 

[m1gara]

It stands to reason that when you support a nation with as ****ful a test record as SL, that you're going to put a disproportionate emphasis on LO formats.

What happend last time pitiful australia toured sri-lanka? That's right, old man herath tour your players open like warm butter and whitewashed you. Talk to me when pity sandpaper champions win a wc away from home or win a t20WC at all. Also, minod bhanuka>Gilchrist.

 

[honestbharani]

What happend last time pitiful australia toured sri-lanka? That's right, old man herath tour your players open like warm butter and whitewashed you. Talk to me when pity sandpaper champions win a wc away from home or win a t20WC at all. Also, minod bhanuka>Gilchrist.

Multi alert

 

[TheJediBrah]

Pretty sure Australia already won 4 WCs away from home

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

I would've also accepted wigara or perhaps mi9ara

 

[OverratedSanity]

What happend last time pitiful australia toured sri-lanka? That's right, old man herath tour your players open like warm butter and whitewashed you. Talk to me when pity sandpaper champions win a wc away from home or win a t20WC at all. Also, minod bhanuka>Gilchrist.

This but unironically

 

[Shady Slim]

What does Gilchrist average, including strike rate, in this era at opener in your brain then?

gilly played from 1996 to 2008 average 35.89 sr 96.94
for openers from 1996 to 2008 in odis the average average was 32.39 average sr was at exactly 74.87
gilchrist average was higher than average opener by 10.8%, sr higher than average opener by 29.4%
for openers from 2016 to now the average average is 36.59 average sr was at exactly 86.11
modern gilchrist would score at 111.42 and average 40.54, not taking any further questions

 

[Burgey]

Multi alert

Yeah decent spot tbh. Migara usually doesn't respond when he knows he's copped a pizzling, unlike this numpty.

 

[Burgey]

gilly played from 1996 to 2008 average 35.89 sr 96.94
for openers from 1996 to 2008 in odis the average average was 32.39 average sr was at exactly 74.87
gilchrist average was higher than average opener by 10.8%, sr higher than average opener by 29.4%
for openers from 2016 to now the average average is 36.59 average sr was at exactly 86.11
modern gilchrist would score at 111.42 and average 40.54, not taking any further questions

I did the same calcs on the back of an envelope earlier and had him scoring at 279.63 and averaging 88.42

 

[Gob]

What happend last time pitiful australia toured sri-lanka? That's right, old man herath tour your players open like warm butter and whitewashed you. Talk to me when pity sandpaper champions win a wc away from home or win a t20WC at all. Also, minod bhanuka>Gilchrist.

Can we keep him can we can we please

 

[Jayro]

gilly played from 1996 to 2008 average 35.89 sr 96.94
for openers from 1996 to 2008 in odis the average average was 32.39 average sr was at exactly 74.87
gilchrist average was higher than average opener by 10.8%, sr higher than average opener by 29.4%
for openers from 2016 to now the average average is 36.59 average sr was at exactly 86.11
modern gilchrist would score at 111.42 and average 40.54, not taking any further questions

By the same logic what would be the stats of Marcus Trescothick, Nick Knight, Graeme Smith( only to name a few) or a solid opener from 80's someone like Desmond Haynes anybody?
How many centuries would Desmond have to his name taking his contemporary record to the present and escalate them accordingly!

 

[Burgey]

I worked out Dessie's record using the same criteria. He'd have struck at 72.4 and averaged 26.28.

 

[Migara]

lol wow

I guess this means Murali isn't one of the best ODI bowlers because of the easy conditions he played at home

You take it either way. If Murali had it easy, then Sangakkara had it difficult. If Sanga had it easy, then Murali had it difficult. Some how when these two are involved in discussions both are said to have tailor made conditions. You choose one.

These are home side's averages during Gilcrist's career. Australia has 2.5 run advantage per dismissal. The difference persists even when non-home sides included as well.

And the advantage was not only spinners. Even pace bowlers averaged better in SL during the said time.

 

[Migara]

Gilchrist didn’t star in a homemade porn movie either. Sanath >>> Gilly

Champ he is.

 

[Jayro]

Gilly earned his stats with a larger proportion on Aussie grounds. I think I once lazily calculated that Aussie grounds are worth 4 less runs per innings. Then there is the uncountable like how many times was he caught on the boundary.

I like dohni, and aside from the occasional troll, I think his captaincy is way undervalued. He was not a tactical genius, but he just seemed to exude calm, that relaxes others in your team so they perform better. He didn't seem to incite divisions in his team. We never got to see Gilchrist enough, but I'd imagine he have been a captain in a similar vein.

Remember while adjusting that Gilly never had to face Mcgrath and co. when facing comparatively lesser attacks, now, one should give extra leverage to other openers of that era whilst comparing them with him,he also had a huge support of great batting line-up which comparatively made life easier from the other end, There are a lots of ifs and buts if we start harping on it, the fact remains that Gilly's ODI batting was not superlative to his contemporaries statistically, if he reigns at SR he also becomes deficient in bat. Avg. which ,despite of all praises still ended at 35 , yet if you take his wicketkeeping out of the equation and the boost that he gets in the memories of fans playing for a champion team - there were many openers during his time who were doing equally good in ODIs during field restrictions and other effects.

 

[Victor Ian]

Remember while adjusting that Gilly never had to face Mcgrath and co. when facing comparatively lesser attacks, now, one should give extra leverage to other openers of that era whilst comparing them with him,he also had a huge support of great batting line-up which comparatively made life easier from the other end, There are a lots of ifs and buts if we start harping on it, the fact remains that Gilly's ODI batting was not superlative to his contemporaries statistically, if he reigns at SR he also becomes deficient in bat. Avg. which ,despite of all praises still ended at 35 , yet if you take his wicketkeeping out of the equation and the boost that he gets in the memories of fans playing for a champion team - there were many openers during his time who were doing equally good in ODIs during field restrictions and other effects.

Mc,heath was great but don't even try to pretend that there were not a plethora of equally brilliant bowlers in ODI. Not facing Aussie bowling in tests holds weight, but not ODI.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Any "definiciency" in his average is pretty negligible, but his strike-rate was way higher. Another great ODI opener from the same period who is rated higher than Knight, Trescothick, Kirsten etc. is Jayasuriya, for the same reason, and his career average was 4 runs lower than Gilchrist. Strike-rate is kind of important in ODIs.

 

[Spark]

Tbh I find it kind of weird how much quibbling there is between Gilchrist and Jayasuriya just as ODI openers, their records to me look very similar and the differences look well within the bounds of random statistical variation. They're both far more similar to each other than they were to any other opening batsmen in that time.

 

[honestbharani]

Tbh I find it kind of weird how much quibbling there is between Gilchrist and Jayasuriya just as ODI openers, their records to me look very similar and the differences look well within the bounds of random statistical variation. They're both far more similar to each other than they were to any other opening batsmen in that time.

I have always been amazed at how many ODIs Sehwag got. Batting wise, he was most similar (at least in terms of role and output) to Gilly and Sanath, but they both had second strings far stronger than Sehwag ever had and yet, he played so many ODIs. Pretty amazing when you think that we literally had to ask Dravid to keep to basically accomodate someone like Sehwag at the top of the order.