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Dennis Lillee vs Fred Trueman

Who is the better test bowler?

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Johan

Johan

International Debutant
Hadlee was probably around Broad speeds, so I think when Lillee bowled a short pitched delivery players were more conscious to duck or dodge as they knew it'd be extremely difficult to hit and would be devastating if they got hit by the ball instead, against Hadlee the short pitched deliveries would seem more hittable so in attempts to play a stroke logically they'd miss and get hit
 
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peterhrt

U19 Captain
PlayerComparisons said:
How fast was Hadlee during his peak in your opinion?
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Genuinely quick when he wanted to be. The short run-up was deceptive and batsmen knew not to commit too early to the front foot.

In New Zealand there were suspicions that Hadlee was saving something for county cricket. At the beginning of 1984 he announced that his main ambition was the double of a thousand runs and a hundred wickets in an English first-class season. This had not been achieved since the programme was reduced in the 1960s. With typically meticulous planning, Hadlee duly met his target. There were no celebrations in New Zealand.

He was not the only one accused of putting county before country (the county paid him much more). The man pictured above was another.
 
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Swamp Witch Hattie

School Boy/Girl Captain
peterhrt said:
Genuinely quick when he wanted to be. The short run-up was deceptive and batsmen knew not to commit too early to the front foot.

In New Zealand there were suspicions that Hadlee was saving something for county cricket. At the beginning of 1984 he announced that his main ambition was the double of a thousand runs and a hundred wickets in an English first-class season. This had not been achieved since the programme was reduced in the 1960s. With typically meticulous planning, Hadlee duly met his target. There were no celebrations in New Zealand.

He was not the only one accused of putting county before country (the county paid him much more). The man pictured above was another.
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The following clip (bouncer about 30 s in, use Full screen, listen to Benaud's commentary) shows how fast Hadlee could be off the short run when the adrenaline was flowing (he was about a month past 32 here):

 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
DrWolverine said:
Looks cricketers today being careful before IPL season.

Nothing wrong. For them it is a job and they would prefer to save themselves for the one that pays more.
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Its quite sad that it was and still is the state of the game.

Usually the pinnacle competition in a sport is where players are truly judged and paid the best for. (e.g NBA rather than FIBA) Sadly not so in cricket, I doubt many would consider IPL or T20’s in general the pinnacle of skill and talent in the game.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Coronis said:
Its quite sad that it was and still is the state of the game.

Usually the pinnacle competition in a sport is where players are truly judged and paid the best for. (e.g NBA rather than FIBA) Sadly not so in cricket, I doubt many would consider IPL or T20’s in general the pinnacle of skill and talent in the game.
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I think football is rather interesting there. Ofcourse a player plays majority of his matches for his club, and club trophies like National and Continental championships as well as personal stats and type of game in those club matches are the basis for ratings. But simultaneously, performance in World Cups are also really important and in many cases, where Legends are truly born. Despite having a fair better career in Club matches than Maradona, so many people refused to rate Messi better until the Qatar World Cup.
 
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Betterpolo

School Boy/Girl Captain
Swamp Witch Hattie said:
The following clip (bouncer about 30 s in, use Full screen, listen to Benaud's commentary) shows how fast Hadlee could be off the short run when the adrenaline was flowing (he was about a month past 32 here):

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Just shows what happens when the biomechanics are all lined up the right way. The run-up is really about personal preference and rhythm.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Regular
Betterpolo said:
Just shows what happens when the biomechanics are all lined up the right way. The run-up is really about personal preference and rhythm.
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Hadlee was a terraway with a fairly long run up in his early days, but wasn't quite accurate. He was invited to play with Nottinghamshire in county cricket in England. As the Sunday league matches were 40 overs game, all of the bowlers would have to bowl of a short run up. Hadlee found out that of a short run up, he could bowl almost at similar speeds, but was much more accurate. So, he cut his run up short.
 
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