subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
The former is better.
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Dale Steyn vs Viv Richards
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Hence Flower over Knott.Not entirely true tbh. The gulf in batting quality between Gilchrist and Knott is similar to that between Imran and McGrath.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah then in most cases taking Knott over Gully is futile, to say the least.
kyear2
International Coach
Reasons for Warne over Murali.
Think Warne was possibly less conditions dependant.
I think that they are also close enough that Warne's batting comes into the picture.
Plus was there ever a better partnership than McWarne?
But more importantly, the Warne selection allows for Gilchrist to be selected over Knott. No idea how Gilly goes keeping to Murali, which presents unique challenges compared to Warne. Having Warne is what solidifies Gilchrist for me, and that in itself adds value.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Murali is just a better bowler than Warne. More destructive, best ever at home and can carry an attack on his shoulder with a ridiculous WPM. Enough that Warne's batting is not a big factor anymore imho.
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
Yeah, he did get intimate with a few.
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
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kyear2
International Coach
So a couple points.
Yes that's one way to look at it, but also one can look at it from the perspective of if you have only one player you can choose and who would be that next pick going down the line. Gilly can't have a similar impact to your first choice strike bowler, who I'm most comfortable with in most conditions.
Additionally, let's say my team is
Hutton | Richards | Bradman | Richards | Tendulkar | Sobers | Gilchrist | Wasim | Marshall | Warne | McGrath |
If I no longer have Gilly, I have Knott and I'll switch out Wasim for Imran and push Immy up to 7. Damage mitigated where you have that 2nd all rounder and a better keeper.
Not to mention of your attack is Marshall - McGrath - Warne - Murali , then definitely I want Knott in that scenario.
But we can agree to disagree.
kyear2
International Coach
Not taking advice from anyone who thinks Flower is preferred over Knott for an AT discussion or selection.
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
If you are picking a wicket keeper purely for batting, Andy Flower has to be a top choice
If you are picking a wicket keeper for his ability behind the stumps, then one can pick Alan Knott or the fantastic Bob Taylor or the superb Jack Russell.
If you are picking a wicket keeper for his ability behind the stumps, then one can pick Alan Knott or the fantastic Bob Taylor or the superb Jack Russell.
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Coronis
International Coach
kyear2
International Coach
I disagree and think it's extremely close between the two, considerably closer than McGrath and Imran per say.
Yes he could carry an attack on his shoulders, but he often did so in considerably more helpful conditions and had a few more minnows to assist with his numbers.
The WPM is a direct result of more opportunities and wouldn't suggest that it was an indicator of increased value.
Warne is right up there with Murali imo.
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
Warne had more stature, glamour and aura
Murali was slightly better in Test cricket
Murali was significantly better in one day cricket
Murali was slightly better in Test cricket
Murali was significantly better in one day cricket
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Warne is closer to Murali than McGrath and Imran are; but I think they have a clear difference in between. Being a lone wolf is much more difficult to begin with and no one carried a team on their back quite like Murali. WPM, I will say, is definitely an indicator of increased value when he a lead of 3 runs in average to begin with. It's kinda close, but not really. More like Hobbs and Hutton or McGrath and Steyn. Overall, won't take Warner in mine really as simply don't think his batting is anywhere close to be a big enough factor for closing that gap.
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
This carries a lot of value in my opinion.
A huge reason why I rate the likes of Andy Flower, Muttiah Muralitharan and Richard Hadlee very highly
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
It should honestly. People flak Murali for his Australia record (which I have previously explained many times that it's largely misplaced). Had Warne been in his shoes, he would had hardly bowled in those matches. Playing solitary means on a bad day you have nowhere to hide and are directly responsible for your team much more.
kyear2
International Coach
But who would do that?
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
Anyone who is not biased
