CW Test Rankings - Updated Jan 2012

[Perm]

Would have thought that India and South Africa were both ahead of England, but I suppose losing a home Test to the West Indies hurt SA pretty badly. Still, if New Zealand play well in the Tests against England, what will that do to the rankings?

 

[silentstriker]

New rankings:

1. Australia 1577
2. England 1031
3. India 983
4. South Africa 914
5. Sri Lanka 778
6. New Zealand 763
7. Pakistan 840
8. West Indies 464
9. Bangladesh 80

 

[GIMH]

**** me how are we second?

 

[silentstriker]

**** me how are we second?

Ashes 2005 still helps . This ranking system tracks changes over the full FTP (six year program home and away vs. every side). It is not for temporary bursts or dips in form. Comparing India and England's performances during that time:

vs. NZ (away)
India 0-2 England 2-1

vs. NZ (home)
India 1-1 England 3-0

vs. Aus (away)
India 1-2 England 0-5

vs. Aus (home)
India 1-2 England 2-1

vs. Pak (away)
India 1-2 England 0-2

vs. Pak (home)
India 1-0 England 3-0

vs. SA (away)
India 1-2 England 2-1

vs. SA (home)
India 2-0 England 1-1

vs. SL (away)
India 1-2 England 1-2

vs. SL (home)
India 2-0 England 1-1

vs. WI (home)
India 2-0 England 3-0

vs. WI (away)
India 1-0 England 3-0

vs. Each Other (in England)
India 1-0 England 0-1

vs. Each Other (in India)
India 1-1 England 1-1

It's very close and a series here and there can and will change it, it'll resolve it self by Ashes '09.

 

[GIMH]

Ah I like that system actually

It won't resolve itself in 09 though, unless a 5-0 victory for England will take us further ahead

 

[silentstriker]

Sri Lanka only drew the series, but they actually did better than last time by winning their first ever Test match in West Indies:

1. Australia 1577.03
2. England 1029.56
3. India 984.77
4. South Africa 915.87
5. Pakistan 839.83
6. Sri Lanka 799.85
7. New Zealand 761.61
8. West Indies 443.64
9. Bangladesh 79.12

The next update will be after the IND-SA series. India will drop below South Africa after the next match, even if they draw the series.

 

[Richard]

Would it be possible and what would need to happen for South Africa to move above England after the series this summer?

 

[silentstriker]

Would it be possible and what would need to happen for South Africa to move above England after the series this summer?

Depends how the next Test match goes. Assuming SA win that one, and then whitewash England in England (not taking into account any other matches that are going to be played), they would indeed take over England. But there are too many variables right now. But remember that SA drew in England already, so while a win helps them move ahead, it won't be as much of a swing as India losing to South Africa at home after beating them 2-0 last time.

The reason SA will shoot past India is just that, after having thrashed them 2-0 last time, they might get thrashed 2-0. Even if they lose 1-0, and even draw, it's a significant decrease in Indian performance (or increase in SA performance).

 

[silentstriker]

1. Australia 1578.74
2. England 1029.56
3. South Africa 965.60
4. India 951.17
5. Pakistan 839.14
6. Sri Lanka 806.70
7. New Zealand 761.61
8. West Indies 444.33
9. Bangladesh 79.12

Congrats to SA on their lead over India. It is a very tenuous position and the next couple series could very well see it fluctuate.

Generally, you have:

1. Australia
<big gap>
2. England, South Africa, India
<medium gap>
3. Pakistan, Sri Lanka, New Zealand
<big gap>
4. West Indies
<big gap>
5. Bangladesh

 

[silentstriker]

Thinking about making a similar system for ODIs if there is interest, but there are a crapload of them, so not sure if its worth it. Especially considering being the top ODI nation really means jack-****, and whoever wins WC is what really seems to matter.

And the fact that I couldn't care less about ODIs. So what I'm saying is, if anyone else wants to spend time updating ODI and keeping track of them, we can work something out.

This system, for Tests, is really nice and the more I think about it, the better job I think Neil did. Unlike the ICC system, which really tracks temporary form, this tracks long term swings and class of a Test side over the full course of the FTP. Which makes sense, considering the FTP is the central program around which all cricket tours are related.

 

[silentstriker]

Oh, and I thought I should post the home & away tables:

Home

1. Australia 1432.88
2. England 1142.16
3. India 1004.50
4. South Africa 977.00
5. Sri Lanka 914.16
6. New Zealand 829.38
7. Pakistan 753.42
8. West Indies 491.01

Away

1. Australia 1724.59
2. South Africa 954.18
3. Pakistan 924.84
4. England 916.96
5. India 897.82
6. Sri Lanka 699.24
7. New Zealand 693.82
8. West Indies 397.63

 

[Neil Pickup]

Away

1. Australia 1724.59
2. South Africa 954.18
3. Pakistan 924.84
4. England 916.96
5. India 897.82
6. Sri Lanka 699.24
7. New Zealand 693.82
8. West Indies 397.63

Thought I'd sort it for you.

 

[silentstriker]

Away

1. Australia 1724.59
2. South Africa 954.18
3. Pakistan 924.84
4. England 916.96
5. India 897.82
6. Sri Lanka 699.24
7. New Zealand 693.82
8. West Indies 397.63

Thought I'd sort it for you.

Whoops.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Maths isn't Manan's best point, Neil. Try and be sympathetic.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Maths isn't Manan's best point, Neil. Try and be sympathetic.

Can't spell it, for one thing.

 

[GIMH]

Can't spell it, for one thing.

AWTA lol

 

[silentstriker]

Maths isn't Manan's best point, Neil. Try and be sympathetic.

You little....

 

[Richard]

Well, 15 + looking-at-a-picture isn't the most complicated maths, and offers no significant disproval of Morris' words.

 

[silentstriker]

Overall table after the NZ-Eng series. England slightly drop due to them actually doing slightly worse than they did last time, but its a small drop and they are still the clear #2.

Overall Points Table​

1. Australia (1581)
2. England (1015)
3. South Africa (967)
4. India (950)
5. Pakistan (840)
6. Sri Lanka (806)
7. New Zealand (788)
8. West Indies (444)
9. Bangladesh (79)

Home Points Table​

1. Australia (1441)
2. England (1114)
3. India (1008)
4. South Africa (985)
5. Sri Lanka (918)
6. New Zealand (829)
7. Pakistan (757)
8. West Indies (493)
9. Bangladesh (91)

Away Points Table​

1. Australia (1721)
2. South Africa (950)
3. Pakistan (923)
4. England (916)
5. India (892)
6. New Zealand (747)
7. Sri Lanka (695)
8. West Indies (396)
9. Bangladesh (66)

The next update will be after the conclusion of the Aus-WI series.

 

[Athlai]

Top 4 matches against each other and bottom 4 matches would all be very close you feel. Perhaps with England trailing the top and Sri Lanka dominating the bottom though.