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Curtly Ambrose vs Brian Lara

Ambrose vs Lara

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Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
Coronis said:
Its funny actually, looking at the great West Indies batsmen.

Headley 77.56 home, 47.45 away
Weekes 69.14 home, 49.63 away
Sobers 66.80 home, 50.73 away
Walcott 69.83 home, 40.46 away
Lara 58.65 home, 48.26 away
Chanders 58.36 home, 45.44 away
Richards 49.77 home, 50.50 away
Worrell 55.41 home, 44.90 away
Lloyd 46.46 home, 46.80 away
Kanhai 48.63 home, 46.51 away
Greenidge 48.62 home, 42.22 away

*neutral = away for this list

Big list of HTB’s aside from Richards, Lloyd and Kanhai.

Also random shoutout to Darren Bravo. 26.78 at home, 46.78 away.
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Thank goodness though, that WI has the bowlers to more than make up for the heavy home bullying:

Marshall 20.06 home, 21.58 away
Ambrose 21.2 home , 20.79 away
Garner 22.34 home , 19.74 away
Holding 23.76 home, 23.65 away
Roberts 28.75 home, 23.88 away
Walsh 23.69 home, 25.03 away
Bishop 24.59, 24.07 away
Croft 19.71 home, 27.32 away
Gibbs 29.66 home, 28.70 away
Ramadhin 32.78 home, 26.78 away**
Hall 25.82 home, 26.74 away

Funny enough that seems to be the complete opposite issue with the couple of decent bowlers the WI currently have:

Roach 22.53 home, 39.58 away (yikes!!!)
Holder 24.20 home, 36.67 away (wtf)

Oh and Sonny gets ** because I'm pretty certain he chucked.
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Captain
Slifer said:
Thank goodness though, that WI has the bowlers to more than make up for the heavy home bullying:

Marshall 20.06 home, 21.58 away
Ambrose 21.2 home , 20.79 away
Garner 22.34 home , 19.74 away
Holding 23.76 home, 23.65 away
Roberts 28.75 home, 23.88 away
Walsh 23.69 home, 25.03 away
Bishop 24.59, 24.07 away
Croft 19.71 home, 27.32 away
Gibbs 29.66 home, 28.70 away
Ramadhin 32.78 home, 26.78 away**
Hall 25.82 home, 26.74 away

Funny enough that seems to be the complete opposite issue with the couple of decent bowlers the WI currently have:

Roach 22.53 home, 39.58 away (yikes!!!)
Holder 24.20 home, 36.67 away (wtf)

Oh and Sonny gets ** because I'm pretty certain he chucked.
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Shannon basically had the same home/away split as Roach and Holder also. Hope Seales fulfills his destiny as the best WI bowler since Courtney Walsh. Great action, concerning he isn't slightly quicker.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
Slifer said:
Thank goodness though, that WI has the bowlers to more than make up for the heavy home bullying:

Marshall 20.06 home, 21.58 away
Ambrose 21.2 home , 20.79 away
Garner 22.34 home , 19.74 away
Holding 23.76 home, 23.65 away
Roberts 28.75 home, 23.88 away
Walsh 23.69 home, 25.03 away
Bishop 24.59, 24.07 away
Croft 19.71 home, 27.32 away
Gibbs 29.66 home, 28.70 away
Ramadhin 32.78 home, 26.78 away**
Hall 25.82 home, 26.74 away

Funny enough that seems to be the complete opposite issue with the couple of decent bowlers the WI currently have:

Roach 22.53 home, 39.58 away (yikes!!!)
Holder 24.20 home, 36.67 away (wtf)

Oh and Sonny gets ** because I'm pretty certain he chucked.
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Bit weird since it doesn’t seem like they have overly batting or bowling friendly home pitches (from a cursory glance at least) that all their ATG batsmen are generally home bullies, whilst all their bowlers are pretty great at home. Could be the case with other countries too tbf haven’t done the research but very pronounced trend here.
 
The Sean

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Coronis said:
Its funny actually, looking at the great West Indies batsmen.

Headley 77.56 home, 47.45 away
Weekes 69.14 home, 49.63 away
Sobers 66.80 home, 50.73 away
Walcott 69.83 home, 40.46 away
Lara 58.65 home, 48.26 away
Chanders 58.36 home, 45.44 away
Richards 49.77 home, 50.50 away
Worrell 55.41 home, 44.90 away
Lloyd 46.46 home, 46.80 away
Kanhai 48.63 home, 46.51 away
Greenidge 48.62 home, 42.22 away

*neutral = away for this list

Big list of HTB’s aside from Richards, Lloyd and Kanhai.

Also random shoutout to Darren Bravo. 26.78 at home, 46.78 away.
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It's particularly fascinating because of just how hugely one-sided so many of those records are. It would be interesting to see if any other major countries' list of top batsmen is also so heavily HTB-skewed.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
The Sean said:
It's particularly fascinating because of just how hugely one-sided so many of those records are. It would be interesting to see if any other major countries' list of top batsmen is also so heavily HTB-skewed.
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Sri Lanka and Bangladesh might spit out something similar.
 
Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
Coronis said:
Bit weird since it doesn’t seem like they have overly batting or bowling friendly home pitches (from a cursory glance at least) that all their ATG batsmen are generally home bullies, whilst all their bowlers are pretty great at home. Could be the case with other countries too tbf haven’t done the research but very pronounced trend here.
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WI pitches go through phases like anywhere else but the traditional tests grounds used to be: Bourda (flat), Sabina (bouncy), Queens Park (uneven/spin), Kensington (fast). Until the ARG came along in the 80s, Queens park usually got two tests in a series of more than 4 tests. When the ARG came along it was unquestionably flat.

Fwiw yeah WI batsmen tended to be home heavy but it's not as if their away records were poor by any stretch. 8 in your list averaged 45+ away which was more than enough to put enough runs on the board for the bowlers who were unquestionable quality all over the world.

And you had bowlers for almost all conditions:

Asia: Walsh, Holding, Marshall, Roberts, Gibbs
England: literally everyone
Australia: Ambrose, Marshall, Holding, Bishop
RSA: Walsh, Ambrose
NZ: Garner, Walsh, Ambrose, Croft
 
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The Sean

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Coronis said:
Bit weird since it doesn’t seem like they have overly batting or bowling friendly home pitches (from a cursory glance at least) that all their ATG batsmen are generally home bullies, whilst all their bowlers are pretty great at home. Could be the case with other countries too tbf haven’t done the research but very pronounced trend here.
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I suppose we know from @peterhrt 's insights recently that the Caribbean was the one place that seemed to escape the directive in the 1950s to produce more bowler friendly pitches, so it stands to reason that the West Indies batsmen of that era cashed in a lot more at home. And England didn’t send full strength teams to tour West Indies pre-war, so that goes some way to explain Headley.

Richards and Lloyd in particular come out looking very good, playing their peak years when runscoring wasn't as easy at home and also without any minnow away tours to cash in on.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
The Sean said:
I suppose we know from @peterhrt 's insights recently that the Caribbean was the one place that seemed to escape the directive in the 1950s to produce more bowler friendly pitches, so it stands to reason that the West Indies batsmen of that era cashed in a lot more at home. And England didn’t send full strength teams to tour West Indies pre-war, so that goes some way to explain Headley.

Richards and Lloyd in particular come out looking very good, playing their peak years when runscoring wasn't as easy at home and also without any minnow away tours to cash in on.
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Hmm maybe I’ve underrated Richards.













Nah.
 
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