Courtney Walsh vs Javed Miandad

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Ikki loved comparing players though. He was very passionate about 1) comparing cricket players and 2) the suffering of innocents iirc.

 

[BazBall21]

Very close. I instinctively think Miandad just. His dominance against Hadlee home+away is a difference maker for him and he was the main man in the Pakistan batting lineup whereas Walsh was sometimes a beneficery of Marshall in the early days and Ambrose in the later days. And while Javed was admittedly not great on bouncy wickets, I think Walsh had his limitations on flatter pitches and thrived a lot on uneven bounce.

 

[Slifer]

Very close. I instinctively think Miandad just. His dominance against Hadlee home+away is a difference maker for him and he was the main man in the Pakistan batting lineup whereas Walsh was sometimes a beneficery of Marshall in the early days and Ambrose in the later days. And while Javed was admittedly not great on bouncy wickets, I think Walsh had his limitations on flatter pitches and thrived a lot on uneven bounce.

Pardon me, but wasn't one of Walsh's claims to fame his performances in Pakistan and India? And I believe wickets there are considered by most on here to be a fast bowlers grave yard (especially Pakistan).

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Pardon me, but wasn't one of Walsh's claims to fame his performances in Pakistan and India? And I believe wickets there are considered by most on here to be a fast bowlers grave yard (especially Pakistan).

Yea he had multiple ATG series to both India and Pakistan

 

[BazBall21]

Pardon me, but wasn't one of Walsh's claims to fame his performances in Pakistan and India? And I believe wickets there are considered by most on here to be a fast bowlers grave yard (especially Pakistan).

Walsh wasn't a bad wicket specialist. He was devastating when he hit the cracks in Asia, like Holding in 84 (India). Think Asian pitches in the 21st century have been less helpful to pacemen which is unfortunate.

 

[peterhrt]

Most first-class wickets by fast bowlers (averages in brackets): Trueman 2304 (18), Statham 2260 (16), Tom Richardson 2104 (18), Morris Nichols 1833 (21), Walsh 1807 (21).

Most Test wickets by fast bowlers: Anderson 690 (26), Broad 604 (27), McGrath 563 (21), Walsh 519 (24), Steyn 439 (22).

Best Test averages by fast bowlers in West Indies (100 wickets): Marshall 157 @ 20, Ambrose 203 @ 21, Garner 123 @ 22, Roach 184 @ 22, Walsh 229 @ 23.

Best Test averages by visiting fast/fast-medium bowlers in India (30 wickets): Davidson 30 @ 15, Walsh 43 @ 18, John Lever 37 @ 19, Roberts 37 @ 19, McKenzie 34 @ 19.

Best Test averages by visiting fast/fast-medium bowlers in Pakistan (30 wickets): Marshall 35 @ 21, Walsh 33 @ 21, Vaas 39 @ 29, Wickramasinghe 30 @ 32, Kapil Dev 44 @ 40.

Best Test averages by visiting fast/fast-medium bowlers in New Zealand (30 wickets): Wasim 50 @ 17, McGrath 30 @ 18, Walsh 32 @ 20, Vaas 36 @ 22, Waqar 34 @ 27.

 

[Jumno]

Both very underated

Maindad for me

 

[Coronis]

Most first-class wickets by fast bowlers (averages in brackets): Trueman 2304 (18), Statham 2260 (16), Tom Richardson 2104 (18), Morris Nichols 1833 (21), Walsh 1807 (21).

Most Test wickets by fast bowlers: Anderson 690 (26), Broad 604 (27), McGrath 563 (21), Walsh 519 (24), Steyn 439 (22).

Best Test averages by fast bowlers in West Indies (100 wickets): Marshall 157 @ 20, Ambrose 203 @ 21, Garner 123 @ 22, Roach 184 @ 22, Walsh 229 @ 23.

Best Test averages by visiting fast/fast-medium bowlers in India (30 wickets): Davidson 30 @ 15, Walsh 43 @ 18, John Lever 37 @ 19, Roberts 37 @ 19, McKenzie 34 @ 19.

Best Test averages by visiting fast/fast-medium bowlers in Pakistan (30 wickets): Marshall 35 @ 21, Walsh 33 @ 21, Vaas 39 @ 29, Wickramasinghe 30 @ 32, Kapil Dev 44 @ 40.

Best Test averages by visiting fast/fast-medium bowlers in New Zealand (30 wickets): Wasim 50 @ 17, McGrath 30 @ 18, Walsh 32 @ 20, Vaas 36 @ 22, Waqar 34 @ 27.

Yeah I think Walsh is a bit underrated. What really lets him down is his performance in Australia, relative to other ATGs

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Dont know how Miandad is underrated. I dont see a Pakistan ATG XI without Miandad in the middle order. Hes highly regarded. But I guess not so in world rankings but rightly so. There are plenty other rightful contenders who would make the middle order in AtG first, second and third XI before him

 

[howitzer]

They seem to have basically stopped posting since they made that account tbh.

I don’t plan on using my Ikki account again

So not KingKallis then?

 

[Slifer]

Yeah I think Walsh is a bit underrated. What really lets him down is his performance in Australia, relative to other ATGs

True.