Choose three batsmen for the Post Packer XI middle order

[nightprowler10]

Its just to see who CW collectively thinks should represent such a team. We've done several such polls in the past.

 

[AMF]

Matthew Sinclair, Jaques Kallis and Shane Watson.

 

[Slifer]

Wow im really surprised by the lack of love for Greg Chapell imo, the best batsman post packer

 

[Prince EWS]

Matthew Sinclair, Jaques Callis and Shane Watson.

We should talk.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

We should talk.

Storm supporter though.

 

[AMF]

My serious answer is Darren Lehmann, Michael Bevan and Callum Ferguson though.

We should talk.

 

[Slifer]

Here are 25 batsmen who scored in excess of 3000 runs in the Post Packer era tests against major cricketing nations averaging more than 45 runs per innings. I've removed Adam Gilchrist from the list since he has already made it to the team as wk/batsman. Aravinda De Silva and Michael Clarke miss out narrowly.

The list contians some all-time legends who are certainties in most dream teams. It also has some members of the 10000 run club. Two excellent batters who are also very good glove men. One player who is also a member of the 200 wicket club. Some stylists. Some grafters. And two match fixers.

Please select three of them to bat at nos 3,4 and 5 behind gavaskar and hayden. you can choose them based on their specific positions or jut according to your whim. once the poll is over i will assign the batting positions to the top three ranked batsmen according to their most successful positions.

RT Ponting (Aus) 1995-2009 120 204 24 10100 257 56.11 35 40 10
GS Chappell (Aus) 1979-1984 36 61 6 3013 235 54.78 10 11 6
BC Lara (WI) 1990-2006 126 222 6 11406 400* 52.80 32 46 17
SR Tendulkar (India) 1989-2008 142 235 23 10940 241* 51.60 35 48 13
R Dravid (India) 1996-2008 108 188 20 8605 270 51.22 19 46 6
JH Kallis (SA) 1995-2009 115 200 26 8909 186 51.20 26 46 10
KC Sangakkara (SL) 2000-2008 59 101 5 4888 287 50.91 13 21 3
Mohammad Yousuf (Pak) 1998-2007 68 118 7 5651 223 50.90 19 21 7
A Flower (Zim) 1992-2002 59 108 18 4556 232* 50.62 11 26 5
S Chanderpaul (WI) 1994-2009 105 181 28 7743 203* 50.60 19 48 12
DPMD Jayawardene (SL) 1997-2008 81 140 8 6679 374 50.59 19 28 9
KP Pietersen (Eng) 2005-2009 47 85 3 4137 226 50.45 15 12 3
AR Border (Aus) 1979-1994 151 255 41 10752 205 50.24 26 60 10
Younis Khan (Pak) 2000-2007 53 98 7 4563 267 50.14 14 19 9
Javed Miandad (Pak) 1979-1993 100 146 10 6815 280* 50.11 17 34 5
Inzamam-ul-Haq (Pak) 1992-2007 102 171 18 7653 329 50.01 21 42 13
SR Waugh (Aus) 1985-2004 163 255 43 10381 200 48.96 29 48 22
VVS Laxman (India) 1996-2008 81 134 22 5440 281 48.57 11 33 8
IVA Richards (WI) 1979-1991 93 135 10 6040 208 48.32 16 37 8
DR Martyn (Aus) 1992-2006 64 105 14 4310 165 47.36 13 22 7
DM Jones (Aus) 1984-1992 52 89 11 3631 216 46.55 11 14 11
RB Richardson (WI) 1983-1995 79 129 9 5518 194 45.98 15 26 8
M Azharuddin (India) 1984-2000 96 143 9 6156 199 45.94 22 21 5
DJ Cullinan (SA) 1993-2001 67 111 11 4511 275* 45.11 14 20 9
Saleem Malik (Pak) 1982-1999 97 146 22 5589 237 45.07 15 28 12

more than voting for your favorites, write about your reasons for choosing them. it will always be fun arguing for one great over the other.

Never realised how good Ponting's stats are even if u removed Zim and Bang. Lara's seems to be little affected and SRT ever so slightly lower than his career average.

 

[Evermind]

I'm really shocked at how few votes have been cast for Ponting, considering he's probably gonna end up with stats superior to SRT and Lara.



Gonna go with Ponting, Lara and Tendulkar. Kallis is definitely in, but he takes an all-rounder's slot.

 

[subshakerz]

I'm really shocked at how few votes have been cast for Ponting, considering he's probably gonna end up with stats superior to SRT and Lara.
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I'm not , having seen them play you can tell Lara and Tendulkar were superior.

 

[subshakerz]

The choice of Chappell over Richards and the reasoning behind it is pretty lame. Richards had far more of his Test career after Packer than before it - for Chappell it's the other way around. Richards absolute supreme peak was just before Packer but his record after is still equal to Chappell if you take into account that he went past his sell by date - something which Chappell didn't do.

I agree, Richards was still considered the best batsman in the world for much of the 80s.

 

[Ikki]

I'm really shocked at how few votes have been cast for Ponting, considering he's probably gonna end up with stats superior to SRT and Lara.



Gonna go with Ponting, Lara and Tendulkar. Kallis is definitely in, but he takes an all-rounder's slot.

Yeah, it's pretty criminal. His record walks over any of his contemporaries. More complete than Tendulkar and Lara, quite easily. I was going to put in Tendulkar originally but I forgot about Chappell. Of course, Richards has to be there.

3) Ponting
4) Richards
5) Chappell

 

[Ikki]

Never realised how good Ponting's stats are even if u removed Zim and Bang. Lara's seems to be little affected and SRT ever so slightly lower than his career average.

Ever so slightly? 3 average points.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I'm really shocked at how few votes have been cast for Ponting, considering he's probably gonna end up with stats superior to SRT and Lara.



Gonna go with Ponting, Lara and Tendulkar. Kallis is definitely in, but he takes an all-rounder's slot.

Kallis is nowhere. Imran will be at 6, Gilchrist 7 and four bowlers.

 

[silentstriker]

Hmm, Imran at six might be weak. I'd go with Kallis there, and maybe Imran finds a spot at eight.

 

[silentstriker]

Yeah, it's pretty criminal.

Hmm, I actually think that on here, he is a bit overrated. I'd probably still have Waugh over him. But then I see the results of the poll, and I think that's about right.

 

[Ikki]

Hmm, I actually think that on here, he is a bit overrated. I'd probably still have Waugh over him. But then I see the results of the poll, and I think that's about right.

Would love to hear the explanation/your argument...

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Hmm, Imran at six might be weak. I'd go with Kallis there, and maybe Imran finds a spot at eight.

In your spinner free world perhaps. Gilchrist could easily bat at 6 and Imran at 7 and that's not weak batting behind Gavaskar, Hayden, Richards, Tendulkar and Lara.

 

[Ikki]

I just remembered an argument you use against Sehwag Manan; saying he cashes in when it's easier - averages during different innings:

Tendulkar:
1st inn: 71.78
2nd inn: 52.13
3rd inn: 44.35
4th inn: 36.72

Ponting:
1st inn: 67.41
2nd inn: 56.60
3rd inn: 43.32
4th inn: 53.95

Also, Sehwag's for interest sake:
1st inn: 62.83
2nd inn: 66.20
3rd inn: 32.18
4th inn: 30.33

 

[silentstriker]

In your spinner free world perhaps. Gilchrist could easily bat at 6 and Imran at 7 and that's not weak batting behind Gavaskar, Hayden, Richards, Tendulkar and Lara.

One can only hope.

I just remembered an argument you use against Sehwag Manan; saying he cashes in when it's easier - averages during different innings:

Tendulkar:
1st inn: 71.78
2nd inn: 52.13
3rd inn: 44.35
4th inn: 36.72

Ponting:
1st inn: 67.41
2nd inn: 56.60
3rd inn: 43.32
4th inn: 53.95

Also, Sehwag's for interest sake:
1st inn: 62.83
2nd inn: 66.20
3rd inn: 32.18
4th inn: 30.33

Well, I look at 1st and 2nd innings as one and then 3rd and 4th as one. But yes, it definitely works against Tendulkar in my eyes, no doubt. He had one great innings late in the game recently, I'd want to see a couple more before he goes. If he can do that, I might put him equal to Chappell.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Chappell played only 30 odd Tests post Packer and though his record in that time was outstanding there's very little logic behind picking him ahead of Tendulkar who's record is incredible by all standards and should be stats-mongers dream.