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Choose combo : Viv & Sachin vs Sobers & Kallis

Sachin & Viv vs Sobers & Kallis

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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Will an average team with Sobers and Kallis actually win more games against better opposition? If so, how?

If it's an average team, I think Tendulkar and Viv are better options. Why?

Kallis and Sobers are both 30 something medium support bowlers in an attack of mostly medium bowlers anyways. They aren't game changing anything really because what the bowling attack needs isn't more medium options but actual quality penetration. Are batting lineups getting out cheaper due to the addition of Sobers and Kallis? Kallis may end up being overused too which will affect his batting.

Whereas Viv's slight superiority and more destructiveness over Sobers and Tendulkars all conditions superiority over Kallis matters against top opponents with the bat moreso in determining results.

If it was a stronger team, I think I would go Sobers and Kallis as the team can afford a drop in batting quality for better quality support bowling.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Also with Viv coming at 3 and Tendulkar at 4, I see them making more of an impact collectively than Kallis at 4 and Sobers at 5/6 who will be asked to regularly bail out the team and hence be under more pressure.

Kallis lack of extra gear puts more stress on Sobers too for counterattack. Kallis also is weak in SL and Eng so kiss those series goodbye with an average team. Viv and Sachin are excellent everywhere with the perfect mix of blasting out ATG bowlers and consistency.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
subshakerz said:
Also with Viv coming at 3 and Tendulkar at 4, I see them making more of an impact collectively than Kallis at 4 and Sobers at 5/6 who will be asked to regularly bail out the team and hence be under more pressure.

Kallis lack of extra gear puts more stress on Sobers too for counterattack. Kallis also is weak in SL and Eng so kiss those series goodbye with an average team. Viv and Sachin are excellent everywhere with the perfect mix of blasting out ATG bowlers and consistency.
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I still find this nonsense about Kallis not having an extra gear ludicrous.

His 201* off 270 vs India? His 186 off 262 vs NZ? His 131 off 177 vs NZ? All quality aggressive knocks in wins. Or you can specifically look at innings like his 73 off 96 vs Aus or his 59 off 78 vs SL moving things along when none of the rest of the team could score freely.

He definitely didn’t do it as often as some players but he definitely had the capability and extra gear when necessary.
 
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Johan

Johan

International Captain
Sobers, Tendulkar and Viv are about the same level, all three having arguments over each other and in the Best-After-Bradman talk. Kallis isn't really in their league batting wise.

though, Sobers is easily a better Cricketer than Sachin or Viv, and Kallis is good enough to not drag down the duo too much, so Sobers and Kallis with Sobers mvp.
 
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reyrey

U19 Captain
Kallis and Sobers.

I'm just a big fan of having loads of bowling variety and options, especially if your bowling stocks have potential wild cards like Devon Malcolm or Fidel Edwards types. They become luxuries you can afford.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Coronis said:
He definitely didn’t do it as often as some players but he definitely had the capability and extra gear when necessary.
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He had the capability for sure but didn't use it as often as he should especially in his years when he was the main alpha bat if the side.


'For people who have watched him over the years, though, his approach has often been baffling: despite having almost every stroke at his command - to go with a watertight defensive technique - Kallis seldom dominates bowling attacks the way he should. The innings at Sydney was only the latest example of how he seems to bat in a bubble, oblivious to the team cause - less than a couple of months earlier, Kallis plodded his way to 91 off 146 balls in an ODI against India at Mumbai, as South Africa only managed 221 and ended up losing the match.

The stat that best illustrates Kallis's tendency to cruise in second or third gear instead of imposing himself on the game - something that all great batsmen tend to do - is his scoring rate in innings when he gets to hundreds. In his 23 Test centuries, he has only scored at 48 runs per 100 balls, nowhere near the rates of Sachin Tendulkar (59.5), Inzamam-ul-Haq (61.5), Ricky Ponting (63) or Brian Lara (70). Among today's top players, Kallis's rate is closest to Rahul Dravid's (49.75), but in a line-up filled with extravagant strokeplayers, Dravid plays a specific, and much-needed, anchoring role. In a South African line-up loaded with grafters, Kallis, as the best batsman of the side, has often failed to impose himself - and thus his team - upon the opposition. Here's another damning stat: in the 15 centuries he has scored since September 2001, even after he's got a hundred against his name, Kallis only cruises along at a scoring rate of 57.54, that's less than the career strike rates of Ponting and Lara.'
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
subshakerz said:
He had the capability for sure but didn't use it as often as he should especially in his years when he was the main alpha bat if the side.


'For people who have watched him over the years, though, his approach has often been baffling: despite having almost every stroke at his command - to go with a watertight defensive technique - Kallis seldom dominates bowling attacks the way he should. The innings at Sydney was only the latest example of how he seems to bat in a bubble, oblivious to the team cause - less than a couple of months earlier, Kallis plodded his way to 91 off 146 balls in an ODI against India at Mumbai, as South Africa only managed 221 and ended up losing the match.

The stat that best illustrates Kallis's tendency to cruise in second or third gear instead of imposing himself on the game - something that all great batsmen tend to do - is his scoring rate in innings when he gets to hundreds. In his 23 Test centuries, he has only scored at 48 runs per 100 balls, nowhere near the rates of Sachin Tendulkar (59.5), Inzamam-ul-Haq (61.5), Ricky Ponting (63) or Brian Lara (70). Among today's top players, Kallis's rate is closest to Rahul Dravid's (49.75), but in a line-up filled with extravagant strokeplayers, Dravid plays a specific, and much-needed, anchoring role. In a South African line-up loaded with grafters, Kallis, as the best batsman of the side, has often failed to impose himself - and thus his team - upon the opposition. Here's another damning stat: in the 15 centuries he has scored since September 2001, even after he's got a hundred against his name, Kallis only cruises along at a scoring rate of 57.54, that's less than the career strike rates of Ponting and Lara.'
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This is ****ing stupid fyi. Apparently guys like Smith and AB are grafters. There’d be no discernible difference in the SR of their teammates without Sehwag’s influence imo.
 
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