Cheating

[HeathDavisSpeed]

I remember some talk about XXXX mints.

Castlemaine XXXX mints? These I must try!

 

[Jono]

Latif, easily.

 

[Flem274*]

Simon Jones' stirring defence to the allegations will always ring in my ears...

"Well, they would have done it too".

WAC.

You know it's true.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Latif, easily.

It's a weird world where Latif is sometimes seen as this bastion of good sportsmanship after blowing the whistle on some matchfixers, yet he's also been the man whose undertaken one of the more dishonest and wrong acts I've seen on the field.

 

[benchmark00]

I once cheated on my girlfriend with Betty Burge.

And my word it was worth it.

 

[Top_Cat]

Yeah it's like life is more complex than people think and that judging a bloke, positively or negatively, on the basis of one thing isn't really telling the whole story.

Don't forget kids, it's only wrong if you get caught.

 

[morgieb]

No-balls/spot fixing scandal the worst. Cheating to win > cheating to lose.

 

[Himannv]

Cheating to win > cheating to lose.

Disagree strongly. Cheating of any form is cheating regardless of the purpose.

 

[morgieb]

Disagree strongly. Cheating of any form is cheating regardless of the purpose.

Well yeah, they're both bad and illegal, but one's slightly better than the other, partly because it's to get personal gain rather than cash.

 

[benchmark00]

Well yeah, they're both bad and illegal, but one's slightly better than the other, partly because it's to get personal gain rather than cash.

??

Pretty sure by getting cash you're getting personal gain.

 

[Jono]

Haha this could turn into the most pointless debate ever. They're both ****.

 

[benchmark00]

Haha this could turn into the most pointless debate ever. They're both ****.

Agreed, ****.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Obviously both are hideous, etc, etc but I don't think there's any comparison. Most instances of "cheating to win" are heat of the moment kinda things, done when the adrenaline's pumping and the will to win that all top level sportsmen have to some extent is most keenly felt. I doubt even Latif or Afridi planned to pick the ball off the floor and claim a catch or bite the ball beforehand, but yer spot fixers are doing it coolly and with malice aforethought.

That's not to say all incidents of CTW are done on a spur tho, obviously using drugs to improve performance and salary cap rorting have been carefully planned out.

& as a sports fan one's more inclined to look favourably on incidents of CTW when one's own players do it. I doubt too many Uruguayans were condeming Luiz Suarez when his (very deliberate) handball helped them get to the world cup semis.

 

[Himannv]

Thierry Henry springs to mind.

 

[morgieb]

Thierry Henry springs to mind.

Diego Maradona > Thierry Henry.

 

[Himannv]

Ah there you go.

 

[Furball]

& as a sports fan one's more inclined to look favourably on incidents of CTW when one's own players do it. I doubt too many Uruguayans were condeming Luiz Suarez when his (very deliberate) handball helped them get to the world cup semis.

Not a brilliant example, Suarez was caught and punished at the time.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Not a brilliant example, Suarez was caught and punished at the time.

Still cheating to win tho, isn't it? My point was I bet the Uruguayan fans were glad he did it.

 

[Himannv]

Still cheating to win tho, isn't it? My point was I bet the Uruguayan fans were glad he did it.

That doesn't make it alright.

 

[Uppercut]

Have to agree that cheating to win is entirely incomparable to fixing.