Chances of a 12 team tournament in 2019?

[G.I.Joe]

I think the Aus/NZ WC is best suited to multiple games a day with minimal overlap, given the spread of time-zones from NZ to Perth.

Day game in NZ, followed by day game in Eastern Aus, followed by D/N in Perth etc.

 

[Sarun]

I think the Aus/NZ WC is best suited to multiple games a day with minimal overlap, given the spread of time-zones from NZ to Perth.

Day game in NZ, followed by day game in Eastern Aus, followed by D/N in Perth etc.

Gotta factor in viewing times of Asian (Indian) viewers.

 

[Pratters]

Teja, I have heard this argument from PEWS also but I don't get it. While I love watching more games and a long drawn tournament does have its merits - it gives teams chance to come out from the dead like PakiStan in 92 and Australia in 99, tests resilience of teams - players from India and Windies are getting injured, I don't like it.

World Cups need to be tight, compact and can lead to focused attention. Not for the cricket tragics only. A longer tournament is not what I would identify with a world cup per say.

 

[Pratters]

Regarding what is likely to happen for 2019 - don't think India will budge about having 9 games and non minnows most of the tournament. What is likely to happen is a WT20 kind of a scenario like last time. The minnows will be included but they will go through some qualifiers along with the lowest one or two ranked ODI teams to make the top 10 eventually. This is a really messy thing. Any thing less than 12 teams in the main tournament I would not be happy with after the performance of the minnows in this tournament.

 

[Bahnz]

Regarding what is likely to happen for 2019 - don't think India will budge about having 9 games and non minnows most of the tournament. What is likely to happen is a WT20 kind of a scenario like last time. The minnows will be included but they will go through some qualifiers along with the lowest one or two ranked ODI teams to make the top 10 eventually. This is a really messy thing. Any thing less than 12 teams in the main tournament I would not be happy with after the performance of the minnows in this tournament.

That's the current situation. The problem is that the qualifying process is set 4 months before the main tournament and will be played in Bangladesh. Having the qualifying tournament changed to be set in England in the 2-weeks prior to the tournament proper would be a definite step in the right direction.

 

[Pratters]

I can see that happening Bahnz maximum - that the qualifiers are shifted to England or maybe even Ireland maybe. I think we will have to accept a ten team main tournament.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Was it an Indian decision or a Big Three one? If anything, the BCCI love more knockout matches, and the current format is what they would have been in favour of, IMO. It's no coincidence that the Asian WCs had this format in '96 and '11.

 

[Pratters]

I think India would have played a large part in booting the minnows. India sees cricket as a product and lesser teams playing matches means less advertisement money and less of a 'product' on tv. When they can sell to the marketers that most of the games will be between big test playing nations rather than only a portion of it, they can make more moolah.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I'd agree with Furball in going to 16 teams, but have 2 matches every-day instead of with this tournament, you mostly just have 1 match per day. The event would probably last the same amount of days as it currently does if you did that.

Having never watched teams like Afghanistan play before, I've been really enjoying the minnow games. Would be a pretty silly decision for the ICC to stick to their original plan now.

I actually quite like the 14 team format as it gives the associates a lot of games. I'd maybe tweak it by having the group winners qualify directly for the semi finals and 2nd and 3rd play quarters to give the group games a bit more meaning but I think this is close to the best format.

Yea sounds good to me. 16 into two groups of 8. Group winners into semis and 2nd/3rd play quarter finals. Having two games a day hides some of the crap matches.

Ideally all teams in the same group should play their final match at the same time.

 

[G.I.Joe]

I've assumed so far that it was England behind the decision because

(a) the ECB come up with ****ty ideas (Exhibit A - proposal for 4 day Tests and 40 over ODIs)

(b) they're hosting the cup in '19.

 

[Sarun]

Yea sounds good to me. 16 into two groups of 8. Group winners into semis and 2nd/3rd play quarter finals. Having two games a day hides some of the crap matches.

Ideally all teams in the same group should play their final match at the same time.

There would be much more games in 2 groups of 8 + Group winners into Semis & 2nd & 3rd into 1/4's format than the current format. Each group will have 28 matches, so 56 group matches which is 7 more than the entirety of current tournament. Then there 2 quarter finals and semi finals matches followed by 1 final. A total of 61 matches. Don't mind it but it would definitely require mostly 2 matches per day if the tournament is to held in same number of days as it is now done.

 

[Ryan19]

If we have to have a ten team tournament then I think every team except for the hosts should have to qualify. You could make some good money by having two separate qualifying tournaments.

The problem with the current format is that you have a lot of games at the end which we all know mean nothing. That is when only playing 1 game per day becomes difficult to deal with. The other problem is that we play 42 pool games which lasts for ages and then only 7 knock out games. I like the idea that the group winners can go straight through to the semi finals.

 

[marc71178]

The bigger the groups the more dead rubbers you get and very early in the tournament.

 

[Spark]

Read yesterday that Richardson said that the 2019 format was "not final". Paving the way for (another) backflip?

 

[GIMH]

I've assumed so far that it was England behind the decision because

(a) the ECB come up with ****ty ideas (Exhibit A - proposal for 4 day Tests and 40 over ODIs)

(b) they're hosting the cup in '19.

We do need a shorter tournament with it being Ashes summer. Maybe ten teams is too many

 

[kiwiviktor81]

How about the top 8 teams, seeded by ODI rankings, no pool matches, just straight into the qfs. 7 matches and the tournament takes a week.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

that's not a world cup

 

[G.I.Joe]

How about the top 8 teams, seeded by ODI rankings, no pool matches, just straight into the qfs. 7 matches and the tournament takes a week.

We tried that in 1998 and it turned out that SA actually do well in knockouts if they aren't preceded by a league stage.

The theory is that they need to be lulled into a false sense of complacency before hitting them with the business end.

What's the point of a WC if we can't share a laugh at their expense?

 

[Spark]

Wimbledon in the first week has multiple games each day. Having more games per day would also solve the broadcaster's needs to make a million bucks out of every game and the issue with minnows being 'non marketeable', as it's put.

While one has a Federer playing, one can also have two lesser ranked players play in round 2 of Wimbledon. A tighter shorter tournament basically gives more space to have minnows in it.

If 3 games is too tight maybe 2 per day could possibly shorten the tournament to a month.

6 teams in a group and each team having 5 games ensures the groups are over in 16 or so days and then we can have the knock outs in the last two weeks.

this is a uniquely awful comparison

 

[Pratters]

Why?