C&G Trophy

[hourn]

This is the type of competition the ECB needs to get rid of. Its unnesecary (sic) and just creates to much cricket.


The biggest problem with English cricket comes from their FC set up. Too many average cricketers playing too much meaningless cricket and little intensity, meaning those players that go on to play for England have not come up against top notch cricketers playing hard tough cricket week in week out.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

IMO, it encourages the development of cricketers who otherwise wouldn't get the chance. In Scotland for instance...

 

[hourn]

IMO, it encourages the development of cricketers who otherwise wouldn't get the chance. In Scotland for instance...

yes it does create the opportunity, but you don't just get the opportunity, you have to earn it.

These cricketers who are enoucarged by the fact they wouldn't get a chance in other places is the exact problem. If they aren't going to get a chance in other places then why do England want to give them the chance - it only means that there are to many cricketers taking up resources.

Grade Cricket is where you develop players.

 

[V Reddy]

whats kaif upto?

I heard that he is going to play an exhibition match in South Africa on 15th while Yuvraj who signed much later is going to play for Yorkshire on 18th.When is Kaif's first match then?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Personally, I believe there are better young players in India than Kaif. Really, aside from 3 or 4 good performances, he has been extremely mediocre. But, it's just my opinion...

 

[Rik]

Personally, I believe there are better young players in India than Kaif. Really, aside from 3 or 4 good performances, he has been extremely mediocre. But, it's just my opinion...

He played a few matches for Leicestershire after the tour of England and didn't do much. Quite like Brett Lee he's dropped off very badly after coming into International cricket with a bang.

 

[lord_of_darkness]

i have to doubt you there mate , kaif and yuvraj are more than that for the indian team , in terms of showing aggresiveness when needed and capacity to stand when needed and the real good fielding they bring to the indian team

 

[Rik]

i have to doubt you there mate , kaif and yuvraj are more than that for the indian team , in terms of showing aggresiveness when needed and capacity to stand when needed and the real good fielding they bring to the indian team

Yes but his batting form of late has been very poor and he made a minimal impact in the WC when he was strangely asked to bat up the order when most of his success came from batting at 6-7.

 

[Eclipse]

He played a few matches for Leicestershire after the tour of England and didn't do much. Quite like Brett Lee he's dropped off very badly after coming into International cricket with a bang.

Get off Lee's back we all know he has alot of work to do In test cricket but I wont have you saying he has been totaly disapointing he was our best ODI bowler last year by along way. You cant just discount his ODI form witch has actualy been getting better year by year.

He is amoung the best ODI bowlers in the world. And still our most potent test bowler when he does have a good day.

 

[V Reddy]

He played a few matches for Leicestershire after the tour of England and didn't do much. Quite like Brett Lee he's dropped off very badly after coming into International cricket with a bang.

He did quite well then. He scored about 2 half centuries in 3 one day matches.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

i have to doubt you there mate , kaif and yuvraj are more than that for the indian team , in terms of showing aggresiveness when needed and capacity to stand when needed and the real good fielding they bring to the indian team

I would agree with you on Yuvraj, but Kaif is still a bit too inconsistent to be a fixture in the team. Hmmm...I always liked that Badani...

 

[Rik]

He did quite well then. He scored about 2 half centuries in 3 one day matches.

He didn't do much in the 4D game though.

 

[Rik]

Get off Lee's back we all know he has alot of work to do In test cricket but I wont have you saying he has been totaly disapointing he was our best ODI bowler last year by along way. You cant just discount his ODI form witch has actualy been getting better year by year.

He is amoung the best ODI bowlers in the world. And still our most potent test bowler when he does have a good day.

Stop getting so touchy, Lee is a perfect example of someone who started well and faded, that's why I used him as an example.

 

[Eclipse]

I am not getting touchy It's just you continue to bring up his name so often and slag him off he is a better bowler than you or me and wether or not he has faded you still need to show him some respect.

And He has in NO WAY faded in ODI cricket his ODI avrage in his first full year was about 28 and it has progresivly gotten better It's not a true statment to say he has Faded when in one form of the game he has done exactly the oposite.

He would make a World ODI X1 so he deserves some credit he is the fithy best ODI bowler in the world according to PWC.

I suppose you think he fluked his man of the VB series award or second leading wicket taker in the World Cup.

 

[V Reddy]

He didn't do much in the 4D game though.

In the 4D game he scored 43 and 13 and in the only 1 day game he played he scored 60* in an important match winning partnership. I think it was a pretty good performance.

 

[marc71178]

He would make a World ODI X1 so he deserves some credit he is the fithy best ODI bowler in the world according to PWC.

If the team were picked on PwC - wouldn't you see only 4 bowlers and an allrounder?

In fact, going on 6 batsmen (inc Keeper, but only 2 openers), 1 all rounder, 4 bowlers - the team would look something like:

Jayasuriya
Gilchrist
Ponting
Tendulkar
Kallis
Youhana
Bevan
Pollock
Ntini
Muralitharan
McGrath

(Note Kallis is number 2 all-rounder behind Pollock, hence his inclusion, and Hayden and Gibbs miss out because of being openers)

 

[Eclipse]

If the team were picked on PwC - wouldn't you see only 4 bowlers and an allrounder?

In fact, going on 6 batsmen (inc Keeper, but only 2 openers), 1 all rounder, 4 bowlers - the team would look something like:

Jayasuriya
Gilchrist
Ponting
Tendulkar
Kallis
Youhana
Bevan
Pollock
Ntini
Muralitharan
McGrath

(Note Kallis is number 2 all-rounder behind Pollock, hence his inclusion, and Hayden and Gibbs miss out because of being openers)

Ok well it would depend what system you used to select your team obviously. More to the point it's not going to genuinly supprise any one if they saw him in somones World X1 he is right there in contention.

Rik you must surley see my point though sure Test cricket is the ultimate but you cant totaly discount ODI's.

 

[Rik]

In the 4D game he scored 43 and 13 and in the only 1 day game he played he scored 60* in an important match winning partnership. I think it was a pretty good performance.

The papers were rather dissapointed with him, as were Leicstershire.

 

[Rik]

I am not getting touchy It's just you continue to bring up his name so often and slag him off he is a better bowler than you or me and wether or not he has faded you still need to show him some respect.

Just like you slag off England players and you fail to show them any respect? Double standards here.

And He has in NO WAY faded in ODI cricket his ODI avrage in his first full year was about 28 and it has progresivly gotten better It's not a true statment to say he has Faded when in one form of the game he has done exactly the oposite.

Didn't say he had faded in the ODI game, find proof that I did.

He would make a World ODI X1 so he deserves some credit he is the fithy best ODI bowler in the world according to PWC.

What World ODI XI? He hasn't been picked for one to my knowledge, anyway he'd allways get beaten by Pollock and McGrath purely on the basis that they are better bowlers.

I suppose you think he fluked his man of the VB series award or second leading wicket taker in the World Cup.

Have you actually noticed that I was talking about Tests and never once mentioned that I thought he was a bad ODI bowler? So your blast is puzzling to say the least.

 

[marc71178]

Ok well it would depend what system you used to select your team obviously. More to the point it's not going to genuinly supprise any one if they saw him in somones World X1 he is right there in contention.

I went with the 6-1-4 because going for 5 bowlers would leave Pollock at 7 and Lee at 8 followed by Murali, Ntini and McGrath - that tail's far too weak...