Butt/Amir/Asif - Spot Fixing Trial

[Spikey]

I mean, of all the people/groups etc to say "got cheated out of their money" the NOTW is literally one of the only ones you can say "well no, they weren't." They got what they paid for ffs. And you're saying they were the only ones to get cheated! what the hell man! The Pakistani Cricket Board didn't get cheated out of their money? They still had to pay Amir's and Asif's match fees you know...

 

[morgieb]

While the crime damaged the integrity of international cricket, do people feel that it should stop them from playing cricket once the punishment is over? If judges think that 5 years, jail and humiliation is enough punishment, well then you should listen to them. Are most of the people who were saying "nup" legal experts?

 

[Spikey]

uh the judge didn't ban amir and asif from playing cricket at all so it's a moot point

 

[smash84]

Haha yeah, lol'd at this myself.

me too

 

[Agent Nationaux]

If it had been a serious crime, he would have got more than 3 months in jail. As Fusion said, it was a white collar crime.

And it was a spot-fix, not a match fix.

 

[fredfertang]

If it had been a serious crime, he would have got more than 3 months in jail. As Fusion said, it was a white collar crime.

And it was a spot-fix, not a match fix.

It was a serious crime, you just need to look at Butt's sentence to realise that, and in many ways for me the spot-fix/match-fix issue is a distinction without a difference. For me its Amir's youth that means he deserves a second chance - nothing else

 

[Spikey]

fairly confident bernie madoff and those impacted by him would argue white collar crime is serious...

But I don't even get why we're taking about that stuff. We're taking about what our feelings will be when they return to cricket after their ICC punishment is over. The ICC punishment happened before the trail. That stuff is irrelevant. My feelings? The ICC punishment wasn't harsh enough considering it's 2009/2011 (crime/punishment date) and the amount of training/teaching/lecturing they'd undertaken, so no I won't be happy when they come back, and I suspect that's how most of us feel. But that's not totally Asif and Amir's fault. I mean, they've got to accept part of the blame for the weak sentence 'cause you know they did the crime, but it's mostly the ICC's fault. I won't be mad at the PCB if they start picking Asif and Amir as soon as they can, but if they decide to over-look them for selection, I won't be mad.

 

[zaremba]

We can all have our own opinions but if the sentence shows anything it shows that the judge viewed it as a serious offence. You just don't get sent to prison in England for a first offence of petty crime.

 

[Spikey]

There’s no profession in the real world I can think of where a convicted criminal is barred for life from employment.

BoyBrumby to reply....

 

[Flem274*]

He can return if Pakistan want him. This is something he will be reminded of every single test match regardless. If I were a convicted match fixer and not very good at batting, I wouldn't fancy facing the music of Dale Steyn and friends.

 

[G.I.Joe]

There’s no profession in the real world I can think of where a convicted criminal is barred for life from employment.

I reckon most people would have no issues with him resuming his career in Pakistani domestic cricket. Just wouldn't want him to return to the scene of the crime, so to speak.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I reckon most people would have no issues with him resuming his career in Pakistani domestic cricket. Just wouldn't want him to return to the scene of the crime, so to speak.

That's how I feel, more or less. I wouldn't want to permanently take away his right to make a living from cricket nor do I think we can demand Pakistan don't pick him, but I'd think more of them if they didn't. I'm farly confident I wouldn't want him in an England shirt again were he one of my countrymen.

Analogous situation is Dwain Chambers, the GB 100m runner. He served a two-year ban for taking steriods (THG if memory serves) from 2003-05 but is forever banned from representing GB at the Olympics because of his ban. He can earn a living, but not compete at the highest level.

 

[morgieb]

tbh if he proves for a period of time in Pakistani domestic that he's good enough and hasn't ****ed up in the meantime, then I wouldn't have any qualms with him being picked for Pakistan.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

The prison sentence and the ban are punishment - appropriate and just IMO.

After they are served I have no problems with him playing again - even at the very top level - although I'm not sure the PCB would select him.

 

[Furball]

If I were a cricketer I'd be very reluctant to share the field with Amir.

 

[Shri]

Well you aren't so....

 

[smash84]

 

[marc71178]

"Asif's release is a matter of few hours and I look forward to meeting him and helping him in his legal fight to restore what was an otherwise brilliant reputation he once had," Asif's lawyer Ravi Sukul told Pakistani TV channel Geo.

 

[Jacknife]

"Asif's release is a matter of few hours and I look forward to meeting him and helping him in his legal fight to restore what was an otherwise brilliant reputation he once had," Asif's lawyer Ravi Sukul told Pakistani TV channel Geo.

Maybe he was being ironic.

 

[BoyBrumby]

He so crazy...