Brian lara vs Steve Waugh

[Johan]

Given Donald only bowled 12 overs, he quite likely didn't bowl to Richards at all.

he went at 4+ RPO and I don't see anyone in that lineup who plays that aggressive or smashes apart pacers like Viv.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Viv came in at 115-3 by which Donald probably bowled most of his overs, if not all of them

 

[Johan]

I doubt the best bowler of your side just won't have a go against a rampaging Viv, also doubt Donald went for over 4 RPO against that top 4

 

[ataraxia]

Viv was also 40 with poor eyesight and only averaged 31 that county season, this being his sole ton. If he had to face even a younger Donald he would probably have been dismissed.

 

[Johan]

The next season he'll come back at 42 and averaged 47 so clearly had some ability left, don't really find it outlandish for Viv to score against Donald, even at the end he often have good performances, even Kapil has a huge ton on Donald etc

 

[centurymaker]

some dumb double standard, Sachin's output against Donald is legit lower than Lara's, the same logic for Waugh > Lara applies to Sachin too, not like Waugh did very well against the Ws either.

Tendulkar was uncomfortable against Cronje, so your statement that Tendulkar's output vs Donald is lower, is simply false. It's his "output vs South Africa". One bowler doesn't make an attack or define an entire attack.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Tendulkar was uncomfortable against Cronje, so your statement that Tendulkar's output vs Donald is lower, is simply false. It's his "output vs South Africa". One bowler doesn't make an attack or define an entire attack.

Ok so Sachin failed vs a Donald led south africa attack. Better?

 

[subshakerz]

Ok so Sachin failed vs a Donald led south africa attack. Better?

You were corrected on this before. why did you rehash these arguments?

 

[subshakerz]

Ok for those arguing Waugh over Lara because Waugh did well vs Donald and the Ws. And did well vs Ambrose/Walsh. Shouldn't that also apply to Sachin? With McGrath in Australia's attack, Sachin averages in the 30s and similarly vs South Africa and Pakistan of the 90s. Therefore Steve Waugh= batsman of the 90s.

I do think Waugh has a case to be the best bat of the 90s. It's close between him and Tendulkar.

Anyways, Tendulkar did better than Lara in the 90s against those bowlers and you already admitted that.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

You were corrected on this before. why did you rehash these arguments?

I rehashed absolutely nothing. Ironically, you were the one who hinted at Waugh being better than Sachin during the 90s. Also, I've never said Sachin was better overall than Lara vs the greats of the 90s. I said him and Lara had similar results (average wise). Your assertion has always been because he got out to Hansie Cronje instead of Donald then he was better:

"Waugh easily the better 90s bat. He was arguably better than Tendulkar."

 

[Sliferxxxx]

You were corrected on this before. why did you rehash these arguments?

Corrected?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Tbf, I do think Waugh has a case over both Sachin and Lara for the 90s solely.....

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Tbf, I do think Waugh has a case over both Sachin and Lara for the 90s solely.....

Right. Don't know why Subz has his undies all in a bunch when he's the one who literally hinted at it at the start of this thread.

 

[subshakerz]

Right. Don't know why Subz has his undies all in a bunch when he's the one who literally hinted at it at the start of this thread.

Huh? I said it then and I say it now.

You are the one who brought in Lara vs. Tendulkar just for laughs...

 

[subshakerz]

Also, I've never said Sachin was better overall than Lara vs the greats of the 90s.

You kinda did.

Yeah I'd probably go with the one who tonned up more.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Huh? I said it then and I say it now.

You are the one who brought in Lara vs. Tendulkar just for laughs...

Again, you're literally the person who first mentioned Sachin in this debate, which naturally sparked my curiosity. I was able to rediscover Waugh was better and significantly better in the 90s vs the great attacks than both Lara and SRT. Thanks for that btw...

 

[Van_Sri]

Steve Waugh was the Best Batsman of 90s

 

[subshakerz]

Again, you're literally the person who first mentioned Sachin in this debate, which naturally sparked my curiosity. I was able to rediscover Waugh was better and significantly better in the 90s vs the great attacks than both Lara and SRT. Thanks for that btw...

I mentioned that Waugh would even be better than Sachin much less Lara that decade.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Tbf, I do think Waugh has a case over both Sachin and Lara for the 90s solely.....

I really don't think so personally. He had more dry series vs the WI than good ones, didn't do that well vs the Ws and didn't have to face his own attack which was the best in the world. Very good record vs a tough SA attack yes. Just statistically, I don't think that's enough to overtake Tendulkar who averaged 5 points higher and had 4 more hundreds in 20 fewer tests even if the runs against the very best pacers were a bit less.

Also think it's a bit silly people just ignore the runs made against Warne in 98. Obviously McGrath was missing but dominating the greatest spinner ever on turning decks is surely a big point in his favour. Waugh was definitely better against the very best pacers in the 90s, but that's not all there is to batting, I'd still take Tendulkar and/or Lara over him even for that decade.

 

[OverratedSanity]

And this is purely a me thing, but I rate Waugh less than most of the forum specifically because he fits the Chanderpaul archetype of a batsman who batted lower down the order (and that too in a good lineup unlike Chanders), and failed in the few times he did bat higher than 5. It may be unfair but I pretty much always rate these batsmen lower, it's just harder to make the same runs up the order and reinforces a belief in my mind that they're batsmen with inherent limitations. If he'd have shown some success batting at 3/4 I might feel differently. Amazing player but not up there with the very best imo.