Brian Lara vs Ricky Ponting (against pace bowling)

[BazBall21]

McGrath taken his wicket more than 15 times, i don't think any blower dominated ponting like this.

Ponting didn't face a proper monster ATG as frequently as Lara faced McGrath.

 

[subshakerz]

Lara. Because I'm having a trouble remembering any bowler that got smashed by Ponting but didn't get smashed vs Lara.

Shoaib. There I helped you.

 

[BazBall21]

I might be wrong but I think Ponting did very well against McGrath in domestic cricket

That is true by all accounts. Opens a can of worms somewhat.

 

[sayon basak]

Shoaib. There I helped you.

Thanks man. But don't think that'll make me change my vote.

 

[subshakerz]

Again, I am not saying Ponting was bad vs good pacers. He clearly had his moments, just like Lara. No way in hell has someone said he destroyed Great pacers like Lara couldn't, when Lara's 99 home series vs Peak McGrath is better than his whole career.

Ponting comfortably better against high speed pacers and around even against medium pacers.

 

[Johan]

I think Smith is clear tbh. More reliable bat.

Yeah his England record I was looking into and it's just two featherbed tons in 95 series and one great ton, and then two completely failed serieses against better bowlers, his Australia record is also very on and off imo, his NZ record and India record are straight mid, failed in 90s Pakistan but went big against **** bowling in 2000s on highways, decent record in South Africa but one good series and one bad one. Sri Lanka is some elite ATG work tho... it's a bit like Steyn where his away record is so reliant on India, Lara's is on Sri Lanka.

discovered all this while researching when away records were brought up in Root v Lara v Smith

 

[BazBall21]

He was pretty good in ENG tho.

1 good England tour out of 3. Not great v gun SA/Pakistan attacks abroad and very patchy in Australia/New Zealand.

 

[subshakerz]

He was pretty good in ENG tho.

One series out of three. Failed against the Ashes quartet.

 

[BazBall21]

Yeah his England record I was looking into and it's just two featherbed tons in 95 series and one great ton, and then two completely failed serieses against better bowlers, his Australia record is also very on and off imo, his NZ record and India record are straight mid, failed in 90s Pakistan but went big against **** bowling in 2000s on highways, decent record in South Africa but one good series and one bad one. Sri Lanka is some elite ATG work tho... it's a bit like Steyn where his away record is so reliant on India, Lara's is on Sri Lanka.

discovered all this while researching when away records were brought up in Root v Lara v Smith

I don't really care about the India record because that was one series at the start of his career and he proved that he's a gladiator v spin throughout the rest of his career but he had his ups and downs overseas v pace.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Ricky Ponting has scored centuries against Donald(1997), Ambrose & Walsh(1999), Akhtar & Akram(1999), Bond(2001), 4x Pollock(2005) and Steyn(2008).

I don't think the bolded ones count as ATGs in their prime at all tbh. Bond was on debut and Pollock was a shadow of himself by then.

The others yes. He also made a brilliant 80 odd early in his career against Ambrose/Walsh/Patterson/Bishop.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah his England record I was looking into and it's just two featherbed tons in 95 series and one great ton, and then two completely failed serieses against better bowlers, his Australia record is also very on and off imo, his NZ record and India record are straight mid, failed in 90s Pakistan but went big against **** bowling in 2000s on highways, decent record in South Africa but one good series and one bad one. Sri Lanka is some elite ATG work tho... it's a bit like Steyn where his away record is so reliant on India, Lara's is on Sri Lanka.

discovered all this while researching when away records were brought up in Root v Lara v Smith

Ive been echoing the same for some time now and get accused of being anti-Lara.

 

[BazBall21]

One series out of three. Failed against the Ashes quartet.

The Ashes quartet dealt with him in WI too. Pace and bounce. Lara's nemesis.

 

[Johan]

Ive been echoing the same for some time now and get accused of being anti-Lara.

lol, with me it's not about being anti Lara or whatever tbh, I'd critique Sachin's record the same way for the 2000s, I personally feel like modern players are held to a higher standard than Lara/Sachin etc and I'm not a fan of it.

 

[subshakerz]

I don't think the bolded ones count as ATGs in their prime at all tbh. Bond was on debut and Pollock was a shadow of himself by then.

The others yes. He also made a brilliant 80 odd early in his career against Ambrose/Walsh/Patterson/Bishop.

He has two more tons against peak Shoaib too.

 

[subshakerz]

The Ashes quartet dealt with him in WI too. Pace and bounce. Lara's nemesis.

Flintoff and Harmison gave him trouble.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Lara's record in Aus is probably the only meh part of his stats overall. Only crossed 50 4 times in 27 innings after his first series there. Extremely rocks or diamonds.

 

[Narayana]

I don't think the bolded ones count as ATGs in their prime at all tbh. Bond was on debut and Pollock was a shadow of himself by then.

The others yes. He also made a brilliant 80 odd early in his career against Ambrose/Walsh/Patterson/Bishop.

I wonder why lara gets so much hype when there are many holes in his away performances.

 

[subshakerz]

Lara's record in Aus is probably the only meh part of his stats overall. Only crossed 50 4 times in 27 innings after his first series there. Extremely rocks or diamonds.

Yeah underwhelming.

 

[subshakerz]

I wonder why lara gets so much hype when there are many holes in his away performances.

Because his big knocks take the headlines.

For example, his 400 came after a series where he largely failed. Same for tons in series in Australia.

 

[Johan]

Ricky Ponting has scored centuries against Donald(1997), Ambrose & Walsh(1999), Akhtar & Akram(1999), Bond(2001), 4x Pollock(2005) and Steyn(2008).

Gayle broke Pollock at Antigua in 2005 and Pollock was never the same again