BREAKING NEWS:::: SHOIAB and ASIF ban Lifted!!!!!!

[cricistan]

i would not realy call these two cheaters because they simply didnt play any match suposingly with drugs during the match.
lets take it this way... if some one has the answer sheet for there test but dont take any test would they be called cheaters???
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[Lillian Thomson]

i would not realy call these two cheaters because they simply didnt play any match suposingly with drugs during the match.
lets take it this way... if some one has the answer sheet for there test but dont take any test would they be called cheaters???
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I refrain from commenting on the two players involved because I don't know if they take drugs or not. But the above argument is not relevant. In athletics the cheats who take drugs to enhance performance don't do so just before they go on the track. They take them to enhance their strengh and stamina which allows them to train longer than non-cheats and also builds up their body mass. If a fast bowler is taking performance enhancing drugs, he won't do so at 11am on the day of the match, they will have been taken over a period of time and the extra stamina illegally gained will enable them to bowl later in the day when they would normally be tiring.

 

[silentstriker]

i would not realy call these two cheaters because they simply didnt play any match suposingly with drugs during the match.
lets take it this way... if some one has the answer sheet for there test but dont take any test would they be called cheaters???
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Cheaters. Disgraceful cheaters.

 

[social]

I'm not so sure.

I have just been reading the actual text of the report itself, and I am not so convinced that this appeal has been successful on the grounds that the tests were not properly administered.

It's quite a long document, and typically over-exhaustive, and it spends a lot of time debating over how the "exceptional circumstances" defence is parsed by either the ICC, WADA or the PCB, but it seems to me that the tribunal found that it was a reasonable defence for Shoaib and Asif to claim that they weren't aware that the supplements they were ingesting were on the banned substances list.

To establish this, it appears that the tribunal has accepted that the PCB failed in it's duty to properly educate the players as to their responsibilities when it came to banned substances. So effectively, it appears to me, unless I am mistaken, that ignorance was in fact accepted as a valid defence, and it may even be the central basis on which the appeal was upheld.

Absolutely spot on

 

[social]

Cricket world can now take one of 2 paths

1 Accept the decision and allow 2 cheats to play the game

2 Stand up to a man and not accept it. By that, I mean we can follow cycling's lead (a notoriously corrupt sport that is belatedly trying to mend their ways) and withdraw playing rights and sponsorship monies.

If people seriously care about the sport, the choice is simple

 

[social]

I refrain from commenting on the two players involved because I don't know if they take drugs or not.
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The fact that they took drugs is beyond dispute - they didnt deny nor appeal this

Took drugs, caught, gone IMO

 

[Tony Blade]

Poor result IMO. I would have preferred them serving their bans..

From Cricinfo:

The report also includes an 11-page note of dissent from Zaheer, the third member of the committee. He points out flaws in the testing procedures carried out by the PCB and argues, on that basis, that the whole process should be repeated, new samples provided and fresh verdicts given.

I wonder if this is happening?

 

[mohammad16]

people so tend to forget that in the end, its all a big moeny making scheme, its a profession first
if it wasnt cricket, it owuld have been something else
its all a big moeny making scheme, so in that case, its not sooo bad for the game

 

[BoyBrumby]

I've previously criticised Warne for his disingenuous sounding explanation for the presence of the diuretic, so in fairness it's only right I apply the same standard to Asif & Ahktar. I find it very hard in the extreme to accept this idea of international sportsmen as naive ingénues who accept without question what their doctor gives them. It's exactly this kind of "but I didn't know it was naughty" cobblers that makes me favour strict liability for drugs tests. No ifs, no buts; it's your livelihood & your body.

I agree with Social here; if the ICC suddenly locates its Max Walls (or maybe even grows a pair) they should ban both players. Warne got a year, so it seems only fair they get the same.

Suffice to say they won't. We all know why & it's a cancer rotting at the heart of cricket.

 

[Tony Blade]

So, what? Players shouldnt be held accountable for any actions?

 

[BoyBrumby]

So, what? Players shouldnt be held accountable for any actions?

I was implying the exact opposite, actually. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

[silentstriker]

i would not realy call these two cheaters because they simply didnt play any match suposingly with drugs during the match.
lets take it this way... if some one has the answer sheet for there test but dont take any test would they be called cheaters???
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Ah well, PCB should simply not select the two players.

 

[Tony Blade]

Ah, didnt quote.. I was referring to muhammad's post, we posted within a minute of each other.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Ah, didnt quote.. I was referring to muhammad's post, we posted within a minute of each other.

My mistake.

Carry on.

 

[Langeveldt]

Could we drive these two out of the game, kind of similar to Muralitharan's experiences when touring Australia? Where are they likely to be making a return?

 

[superkingdave]

yo yo, cool it mate. I was bored enough to read out that whole verdict & it seems that mistakes were made by the PCB in not having not educated is cricketes enough about what substances to use & other crazy little details that Slove love has been mentioning & in fact Shoaib & Asif had taken these supplements with no intention of enhancing themselves. So really the blokes are as innocent as a pretty little virgin girl..

looking forward to hearing Slove love's verdict on this

 

[TT Boy]

Could we drive these two out of the game, kind of similar to Muralitharan's experiences when touring Australia? Where are they likely to be making a return?

One would think South Africa, bit rich though if the SA fans take the moral high ground considering one of their batsman was involved in match fixing and actually agreed to fix a game. And that half of their team were found guilty of smoking dope in the West Indies a couple of years back, sure its not a performing enhancing drug but Maradona could have sworn by crack in pomp.

 

[Anil]

a travesty....shoaib is probably thick-skinned enough to shrug off the taint and in any case he doesn't have that many years left, but asif could suffer for this for a long time...

 

[pasag]

So just to confirm, they didn't get off on a technicality at all did they. It was pretty much a retrial with the same arguments being put forward, only this time a different decision being made.

Yes or no?

 

[Dasa]

Suffice to say they won't. We all know why & it's a cancer rotting at the heart of cricket.

What do you mean by that?