BREAKING NEWS: Hair removed from the Elite Panel

[IndianByHeart]

Actually I'm of the opinion that cricket would be better off without characters like yourself.

So even though you are an idiot yet you still have some intelliegence to have an opinion.Looks like we have a relative of Hair over here.

 

[Dasa]

Again, i'll say it, unless your Darryl hair, you don't know **** about what he saw

There's no logic in that statement. If you have to be someone to judge their actions, then why comment on anything? Hair was asked to provide something to back up his allegations of ball-tampering, which he was unable to do. We don't know for sure whether he saw anything, but given he wasn't even able to provide a name of a player doing the tampering, it is logical to say that he acted on suspicions rather than any evidence - which is something that shouldn't be done, especially regarding a matter of such importance.

 

[Ikki]

KaZoH0lic yeah i dont think so coming from someone as ignorant as yourself who refuses to understand the situation

Wow, for someone who claims to be on the side of morality and fairness you sure have one disgusting tone.

 

[LA ICE-E]

guess what im neither a pakis, indian or sri lankan or aussie fan and so my point of view is pretty fair and after i see all these points, and you still refuse to ackknowledge them and just be stupid you can drive people crazy

 

[Dasa]

Actually I'm of the opinion that cricket would be better off without characters like yourself.

Are you pleadng with people to stop arguing against you? Beg a little harder, it might work.

Wow, for someone who claims to be on the side of morality and fairness you sure have one disgusting tone.

 

[Ikki]

Oh no, it's Dasa...

Whilst what I said was in jest, the others were...

Nevermind, I'm not looking to you to understand the difference.

 

[Dasa]

Oh no, it's Dasa...

Whilst what I said was in jest, the others were...

Nevermind, I'm not looking to you to understand the difference.

Whether in jest or not, doesn't excuse anything.

Anyway, I'd rather you wouldn't personally attack me further by questioning my intelligence.

 

[Johnners]

There's no logic in that statement. If you have to be someone to judge their actions, then why comment on anything? Hair was asked to provide something to back up his allegations of ball-tampering, which he was unable to do. We don't know for sure whether he saw anything, but given he wasn't even able to provide a name of a player doing the tampering, it is logical to say that he acted on suspicions rather than any evidence - which is something that shouldn't be done, especially regarding a matter of such importance.

Yeah i fully understand what you're saying.... and as i said earlier, what he did has proven to be a stupid mistake (calling it, without knowing there would be solid evidence via camera's etc.), however, it Grinds my gears so to speak, that everyone is oh so very willing to preach about what Darryl Hair did & didn't see as if it were them, when really, they have no idea.

 

[HowsThat]

Hair always was asking for trouble, he might have acted within the laws of the book by continue 2 no-ball Murali , yet he was rightly stopped by ICC from stop officiating matches played by SL.The guy always asked for trouble, how can people defend the guy who was bribing ICC 2 get $$$ ??

Had Hair continued it would have been more disasterous, thank God that the guy is gone.

 

[Johnners]

guess what im neither a pakis, indian or sri lankan or aussie fan and so my point of view is pretty fair and after i see all these points, and you still refuse to ackknowledge them and just be stupid you can drive people crazy

i'm sure i've read somewhere about how that you're a pakistan fan

 

[LA ICE-E]

i know KaZoH0lic, bracken how are you defending this guy who asked for $500,000 as bribe to quite? Would it be ok then if the icc just paid him and he quited? hell no we dont have confident in an umpire who asks for bribes

 

[HowsThat]

i'm sure i've read somewhere about how that you're a pakistan fan

Actually its possible to be a non-Pakistani , yet be a Pak team fan. I have several friends in Dubai that were non-Pakistani and non-Indian yet were great fans of those two cricket teams.

 

[LA ICE-E]

i'm sure i've read somewhere about how that you're a pakistan fan

yeah i dont think so, because i dont even post much about pakistan cricket because not intrested in it much...

 

[honestbharani]

Again, i'll say it, unless your Darryl hair, you don't know **** about what he saw

And again, I'll say it: If it is Darrell Hair, it is very hard to believe what he says.



Look, you have got 15 odd cameras of Sky out there, apart from a number of photographers from the press. One of the cameras of Sky always follows the ball, even during the breaks. And almost all of them are wide angle cameras, which means it won't be that hard to spot someone working on the ball. Ball tampering is a big issue in cricket and therefore is something that almost all TV networks watch out for. (Check out how the camera zoomed in on Sachin when he was "cleaning the seam".) In the same series, a couple of pictures of Pakistani players working on the ball were published. And you are telling me that Hair SAW one of the Pakistan players tamper with the ball and none of these rabid pressmen or cameramen saw it?


The very idea is so improbable. And Hair has been handing out interviews a number of times since the incident and yet he hasn't named even one player if he DID see something like that. Doctrove didn't either. Neither did the Englishmen or even the spectators. HOw the hell are you so sure that he DID see something? At least, I am going with the balance of probability, which is what you have to do when something is uncertain.

 

[HowsThat]

i know KaZoH0lic, bracken how are you defending this guy who asked for $500,000 as bribe to quite? Would it be ok then if the icc just paid him and he quited? hell no we dont have confident in an umpire who asks for bribes

Had he asked that after he was sacked or was about 2 be sacked then it might have been a bit different. But when he did that , he was still an ICC umpire, and i think if for nothing else then just for that he should have been sacked

 

[Bracken]

Its funny how Mr Hair was the ONLY Umpire in the world who was sure that Murali's action was illegitimate so much so that he described Murlai's action in his book as "diabolical"!! And this led him to where? to be thrown out from officiating Lankan matches.

For cricketers like Murali to continue cricket it was essential for charecters like Hair to be taken care of.Not one person in Lanka shed tear at the sacking of disgraceful Hair.

No Sri Lankan shed a tear. What a surprise.

Again, Hair didn't have to be sure that Murali was throwing- for him NOT to call no ball, he had to be sure that Murali WASN'T throwing. Big difference, although I doubt you'll appreciate it.

And for the ICC to allow any team to dictate who will or will not umpire their matches is atrocious, and something that set the precedent for this mess.

why is it so hard to get? he DIDN'T get sacked for following the rules, he was sacked for making a hugely bad judgement and not useing common sense! get Bracken? or does 100 more people have to repeat the same thing for you to get it.

Funny how Hair's judgment was backed up by EVERY ICC official at the match, eh? BOTH umpires (Hair and Doctrove) testified that they believed that the ball had been tampered with, along with the match referee Mike Proctor, the third umpire Peter Hartley, the fourth umpire Trevor Jesty, and the ICC Umpires and Referees Manager Doug Cowie.

Not a SINGLE ICC official involved in the match believed that the ball hadn't been tampered with. Not ONE- and they all testified to that fact during the hearing.

I suppose that your version of "common sense" would entail having EVERY official involved in the match putting aside their judgment and allowing the game to continue with a ball that they all, in their informed, educated, experienced opinions, believed had been tampered with- in direct contradiction of their duty according to the laws of the game?

Why didn't EVERY ICC official involved get "demoted" and prohibited from officiating in matches involving test nations? They all made the same "mistake" in judgment, right?

Here's another question for you: why did the Pakistan team management NOT go through with their threat to bring Hair up on charges of bringing the game into disrepute, instead of getting rid of Hair through their stacked vote? Surely having Hair found guilty of this sort of offence in an open hearing would have added a bit of legitimacy to their claims that Hair was the bad guy?

Wouldn't be because they knew that Hair did everything by the book, and was completely within his rights, would it? Much easier to rally the bloc and stack a vote in the ICC, right?

You haven't come out with a single thing that contradicts the fact that Hair was sacked for upholding the same rules that he was contracted to uphold.

i know KaZoH0lic, bracken how are you defending this guy who asked for $500,000 as bribe to quite? Would it be ok then if the icc just paid him and he quited? hell no we dont have confident in an umpire who asks for bribes

You mean the email that followed the conversation with Cowie, where Cowie asked Hair to consider the idea that it might be better for the game if the ICC paid Hair an amount to walk away, suggested the amount, and then asked Hair to put the amount in writing?

I think I'll wait for the court hearing to test the validity of the "bribe" claims before I condemn him for it.

 

[honestbharani]

I think you misunderstood me a bit. What I was arguing before is that it's impossible to prove that something isn't the case. So obviously, Hair can't prove that he isn't racist any more than you can prove that you're not.

What you're talking about here is an umpire not needing to prove something because it's not part of his job. An umpire doesn't need to have conclusive evidence for a decision they make on the field under normal circumstances, they just need to make a judgement. Obviously there are protocols they have to follow in making their decisions and an umpire who makes bad decisions can be fired, but expecting Hair to prove that Pakistan tampered with the ball is a bit silly, because it's simply not part of the rules that he has to prove anything. He's an ultimate authority.

That doesn't necessarily mean that the decision was the right one under the circumstances.

I agree with that part but my point is, the laws themselves are wrong in this instance. Because you cant have the umpire as the ULTIMATE authority when he is the person who is being questioned. When serious doubts are cast over an umpire's decision, he ceases to be the ultimate authority, no matter what the LAW says. It is like how a judge's decision is final and he is the ultimate authority but when you file a suit against his verdict and name him as an accused, he ceases to be the ultimate authority and has to explain his judgement to another judge or jury.

 

[LA ICE-E]

No Sri Lankan shed a tear. What a surprise.

Again, Hair didn't have to be sure that Murali was throwing- for him NOT to call no ball, he had to be sure that Murali WASN'T throwing. Big difference, although I doubt you'll appreciate it.

And for the ICC to allow any team to dictate who will or will not umpire their matches is atrocious, and something that set the precedent for this mess.



Funny how Hair's judgment was backed up by EVERY ICC official at the match, eh? BOTH umpires (Hair and Doctrove) testified that they believed that the ball had been tampered with, along with the match referee Mike Proctor, the third umpire Peter Hartley, the fourth umpire Trevor Jesty, and the ICC Umpires and Referees Manager Doug Cowie.

Not a SINGLE ICC official involved in the match believed that the ball hadn't been tampered with. Not ONE- and they all testified to that fact during the hearing.

I suppose that your version of "common sense" would entail having EVERY official involved in the match putting aside their judgment and allowing the game to continue with a ball that they all, in their informed, educated, experienced opinions, believed had been tampered with- in direct contradiction of their duty according to the laws of the game?

Why didn't EVERY ICC official involved get "demoted" and prohibited from officiating in matches involving test nations? They all made the same "mistake" in judgment, right?

Here's another question for you: why did the Pakistan team management NOT go through with their threat to bring Hair up on charges of bringing the game into disrepute, instead of getting rid of Hair through their stacked vote? Surely having Hair found guilty of this sort of offence in an open hearing would have added a bit of legitimacy to their claims that Hair was the bad guy?

Wouldn't be because they knew that Hair did everything by the book, and was completely within his rights, would it? Much easier to rally the bloc and stack a vote in the ICC, right?

You haven't come out with a single thing that contradicts the fact that Hair was sacked for upholding the same rules that he was contracted to uphold.



You mean the email that followed the conversation with Cowie, where Cowie asked Hair to consider the idea that it might be better for the game if the ICC paid Hair an amount to walk away, suggested the amount, and then asked Hair to put the amount in writing?

I think I'll wait for the court hearing to test the validity of the "bribe" claims before I condemn him for it.

as the senior umpire he pays the price for ****ing up. NO ONE said he wasnt within his rights but as the senior umpire making the bad judgement cost him. and how clear can it get, cricinfo said hair ask for 500,000 and that he'll quite wasnt any suggestion and all that **** you saying

 

[Johnners]

HOw the hell are you so sure that he DID see something?

Gah....i didn't say he did... as i mentioned in my original post.... i don't know whether he did or he didn't see anything....but i find it annoying that so many speak as if they're Darryl Hair himself, and know full well what his thought process was that day.

 

[LA ICE-E]

again im presenting you with the same points thats been said hundred times already please try to get it in you head