Brad Hogg as a test match option

[SJS]

Haha. I'm trying my best to get the last word in here, but you just won't let me, will you?

You're lucky (and the rest of the poor souls, that have the misfortune of reading this) that it's my bedtime, 'cause I could keep going all night.

You cant get to 31000 odd posts by allowing the other person the last word

 

[pup11]

One finger-spinner who has impressed me in recent times is R.Powar, yeah he hasn't played any test matches yet but as a finger-spinning offie he does most things right.

He flights the ball well and even if he is hit for runs he doesn't starts to bowl flat.


He doesn't have any doosra or any other magic balls but he sticks to the basics.


I think Dan Cullen in also a spinner in Powar's mould (and i am not taking about their physiques).

 

[chaminda_00]

One finger-spinner who has impressed me in recent times is R.Powar, yeah he hasn't played any test matches yet but as a finger-spinning offie he does most things right.

He flights the ball well and even if he is hit for runs he doesn't starts to bowl flat.


He doesn't have any doosra or any other magic balls but he sticks to the basics.


I think Dan Cullen in also a spinner in Powar's mould (and i am not taking about their physiques).

Dan Cullen has a 'show and tell' doosra though...

 

[Richard]

One finger-spinner who has impressed me in recent times is R.Powar, yeah he hasn't played any test matches yet but as a finger-spinning offie he does most things right.

He flights the ball well and even if he is hit for runs he doesn't starts to bowl flat.

What a great idea... if you're being whacked, just keep getting whacked.

Generally, if something isn't working, it's an idea to try something different.

 

[chaminda_00]

What a great idea... if you're being whacked, just keep getting whacked.

Generally, if something isn't working, it's an idea to try something different.

Its more to do with staying with your natural game and keep attacking as a spinner. Most likely if you start to bowl flat you will probably still get smacked and reduce any chance of getting wickets. But with the nature of ODI Cricket these days its very high risk, cus even if you get it right you might not get much out of the pitch to effectively beat a batsmen. Its a breath of fresh air to see that attacking attitude from spinners, but these it isn't every successful method in general.

 

[Pup Clarke]

What a great idea... if you're being whacked, just keep getting whacked.

That's not what he's saying or implying...

 

[SJS]

One finger-spinner who has impressed me in recent times is R.Powar, yeah he hasn't played any test matches yet but as a finger-spinning offie he does most things right.

He flights the ball well and even if he is hit for runs he doesn't starts to bowl flat.


He doesn't have any doosra or any other magic balls but he sticks to the basics.


I think Dan Cullen in also a spinner in Powar's mould (and i am not taking about their physiques).

Powar is a superb bowler. Its a pity he hasnt played more.

 

[Richard]

Its more to do with staying with your natural game and keep attacking as a spinner. Most likely if you start to bowl flat you will probably still get smacked and reduce any chance of getting wickets. But with the nature of ODI Cricket these days its very high risk, cus even if you get it right you might not get much out of the pitch to effectively beat a batsmen. Its a breath of fresh air to see that attacking attitude from spinners, but these it isn't every successful method in general.

ODI cricket doesn't have to be about an attacking attitude, and often such a thing will get you into trouble. And more so than ever as a spinner (unless you're a Warne, Murali or Mushtaq).

Bowling fast and flat is one of the few things that's worked for standard spinners since the indroduction of the leg-side field restrictions.

 

[chaminda_00]

ODI cricket doesn't have to be about an attacking attitude, and often such a thing will get you into trouble. And more so than ever as a spinner (unless you're a Warne, Murali or Mushtaq).

Bowling fast and flat is one of the few things that's worked for standard spinners since the indroduction of the leg-side field restrictions.

I know it doesn't work that well overall, but its just nice to see more spinner try it, rather then just bowl defensive.

 

[aussie]

Just turning away from the topic of the thread for a minute, but as the idea of Australia playing 4-fast bowlers crossed anyone's mind?. After all it would totally squash the minor debates of who should be the main spinner or who should play as the all-rounder.

Rogers/Jaques
Hayden
Ponting
Hodge
Hussey
Clarke
Gilchrist
Lee
Gillespie
Clark
Tait

 

[Mister Wright]

Just turning away from the topic of the thread for a minute, but as the idea of Australia playing 4-fast bowlers crossed anyone's mind?. After all it would totally squash the minor debates of who should be the main spinner or who should play as the all-rounder.

Rogers/Jaques
Hayden
Ponting
Hodge
Hussey
Clarke
Gilchrist
Lee
Gillespie
Clark
Tait

I doubt they would, but if they were Symonds would play over Hodge, not only because he has a test 150, 2 test matches ago, but he can offer a spin option.

 

[Richard]

Why not have Hussey opening and Hodge and Symonds both in?

 

[PhoenixFire]

Hodge > Symonds

As a batsman, although Symonds does help the balance of the side.

 

[Richard]

Oh, beyond doubt. The reason for picking Symonds, though, would clearly be in the hope of him helping in some way in the spin department.

If you wanted to do that, though, IMO you'd have to have Hussey opening.

 

[Mister Wright]

Why not have Hussey opening and Hodge and Symonds both in?

Aussie's side is just not going to happen.

If I were selector, Hussey would be opening and both Symonds and Watson would be playing. But, then I'm a QLD so expect Fuller et al. to say it's bias, but I think Symonds deserves to keep his spot.

 

[Richard]

Aussie's side is just not going to happen.

"Aussie" being Colin, AKA "aussie" the poster? (His username is somewhat confusing of times)

If I were selector, Hussey would be opening and both Symonds and Watson would be playing. But, then I'm a QLD so expect Fuller et al. to say it's bias, but I think Symonds deserves to keep his spot.

I think Symonds deserves to keep his spot too, TBH. 156 and 48 in your most recent innings and being dropped is hardly fair. But if you can't fit him in, you can't fit him in. Surely not many would suggest he's a better batsman than Hodge, though.

 

[Mister Wright]

"Aussie" being Colin, AKA "aussie" the poster? (His username is somewhat confusing of times)

I think Symonds deserves to keep his spot too, TBH. 156 and 48 in your most recent innings and being dropped is hardly fair. But if you can't fit him in, you can't fit him in. Surely not many would suggest he's a better batsman than Hodge, though.

I don't rate Hodge, and I've seen Symonds play some cracker innings, one in particular on very green pitch, that saved QLD's innings. He was a much better FC batsman before he was given a run in the ODI side, I think that has affected his FC batting to some extent.

Not saying Symonds is better, but it's not as big of a gap as people make out. Certainly not so much as Hodge is so much a better batsman that he must be picked over Symonds' all round package.

 

[Richard]

What makes you not rate Hodge?

Only thing I don't rate him in is low-ego stakes.

 

[Mister Wright]

What makes you not rate Hodge?

Only thing I don't rate him in is low-ego stakes.

Admittedly he's improved. Just don't like him, to be honest. Bit of a whinger, and wouldn't give me an autogrpah at the WC, which doesn't help my perception of him. You'd think after scoring a century you'd be up for giving autographs.

 

[Richard]

Understandible. **** of a bloke, seems, in that case. But he could still be a good batsman.