Bob Simpson vs Matthew Hayden

[PlayerComparisons]

Two main candidates for Australia’s greatest opener

 

[sledger]

nope

 

[kyear2]

They're the two I choose, would probably go Haydos as he did it his entire career, but not a clear cut decision. Simpson the better all round cricketer though.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Two main candidates for Australia’s greatest opener

They aren't. Trumper is clearly the best. Simpson, Hayden, Lawry, Morris and Ponsford all are around equals.

 

[a massive zebra]

Simpson easily. He has a much better record as an opener and played in a lower scoring era.

 

[a massive zebra]

They aren't. Trumper is clearly the best. Simpson, Hayden, Lawry, Morris and Ponsford all are around equals.

I disagree. Simpson scored 3,664 runs @ 55.52 as opener which is well ahead of all other Australian openers. Morris had a great start to his career but then got worked out by Bedser and tailed off. Ponsford had a great debut series and an incredible final series but the middle of his career was pretty meh. Hayden had a major weakness against quality pace which was exposed early in his career and then feasted in a period of weak fast bowling stocks.

 

[kyear2]

I disagree. Simpson scored 3,664 runs @ 55.52 as opener which is well ahead of all other Australian openers. Morris had a great start to his career but then got worked out by Bedser and tailed off. Ponsford had a great debut series and an incredible final series but the middle of his career was pretty meh. Hayden had a major weakness against quality pace which was exposed early in his career and then feasted in a period of weak fast bowling stocks.

Yeah, pretty much this.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I disagree. Simpson scored 3,664 runs @ 55.52 as opener which is well ahead of all other Australian openers. Morris had a great start to his career but then got worked out by Bedser and tailed off. Ponsford had a great debut series and an incredible final series but the middle of his career was pretty meh. Hayden had a major weakness against quality pace which was exposed early in his career and then feasted in a period of weak fast bowling stocks.

Only while looking at his opening runs. Simpson's MO record is kinda bad.

 

[Coronis]

Only while looking at his opening runs. Simpson's MO record is kinda bad.

They aren't. Trumper is clearly the best. Simpson, Hayden, Lawry, Morris and Ponsford all are around equals.

**** me are you serious with this crap mate. Trumper’s opening record is more than kinda bad and yet you push for him as an opener every single time. You’re so ****ing biased and hypocritical its disgusting.

 

[kyear2]

Only while looking at his opening runs. Simpson's MO record is kinda bad.

This is literally as an opener though, I'm so very lost right now.

 

[a massive zebra]

Only while looking at his opening runs. Simpson's MO record is kinda bad.

Which was the exact topic of this poll.

 

[kyear2]

**** me are you serious with this crap mate. Trumper’s opening record is more than kinda bad and yet you push for him as an opener every single time. You’re so ****ing biased and hypocritical its disgusting.

Literally makes no sense.

 

[capt_Luffy]

**** me are you serious with this crap mate. Trumper’s opening record is more than kinda bad and yet you push for him as an opener every single time. You’re so ****ing biased and hypocritical its disgusting.

I am totally serious. The older the time the less importance I put on stats. Trumper's MO record looks much more impressive largely due to SA runs. He opened most of the times in FC, and so he did in his peak. And ofcourse, his peer rating is incomparable with the rest.

 

[capt_Luffy]

This is literally as an opener though, I'm so very lost right now.

Which was the exact topic of this poll.

Then Khawaja is definitely around Hayden's level. Comparing as openers means to me who I will prefer to open, not to ignore their MO stint.

 

[kyear2]

Then Khawaja is definitely around Hayden's level. Comparing as openers means to me who I will prefer to open, not to ignore their MO stint.

As opposed to how they actually performed as openers...

That literally makes no sense, but ok.

 

[Coronis]

I am totally serious. The older the time the less importance I put on stats. Trumper's MO record looks much more impressive largely due to SA runs. He opened most of the times in FC, and so he did in his peak. And ofcourse, his peer rating is incomparable with the rest.

So basically you’re saying he was a minnow basher and a HTB.

 

[capt_Luffy]

As opposed to how they actually performed as openers...

That literally makes no sense, but ok.

So making runs only while opening is enough, no matter how poor a stint a batsman has in the middle order?? Like he a batsman averages 80 while opening in 30 games and 25 while in the MO in 60; you will rate him higher?? Opening runs are definitely more important, but not so much as to ignore the other ones. Atleast for me.

 

[Coronis]

Then Khawaja is definitely around Hayden's level. Comparing as openers means to me who I will prefer to open, not to ignore their MO stint.

And yet somehow their opening stint is not as important. Complete lunacy.

 

[capt_Luffy]

So basically you’re saying he was a minnow basher and a HTB.

The greatest batsman ever on wet ENGLISH wickets.....

 

[Coronis]

So making runs only while opening is enough, no matter how poor a stint a batsman has in the middle order?? Like he a batsman averages 80 while opening in 30 games and 25 while in the MO in 60; you will rate him higher?? Opening runs are definitely more important, but not so much as to ignore the other ones. Atleast for me.

If you’re rating him as an opener… yes. Seriously mate.