Black caps-2nd in the world?

[BlackCap_Fan]

I think so.We just defeated the no.2 team in the world,South Africa.We defeated the indians who many saidwere the 2nd in the world (which I thought was an absaloute joke)we defeated Pakistan in a series,and England(whoopee)


So I think the Black Caps are the 2nd best team in the world.Why do people think India are just because they beat the Aussies a few times? We pounded them into the dirt when they came here.There may have been bad pitches (horrible pitches in fact)but still,inida had tendulkar,laxman,dravid,ganguly etc,so there is no excuse for the indians to be called 2nd in the world.A joke.A JOKE.

Thats what I think.

 

[Choora]

Man you know what, you are dead right, infact i just reliased that NZ must be the second best team in the world.


Having said that i must add that the standard of Intenational cricket teams must have gone terribly down now that teams like NZ are said to be the second best in the world.

 

[thierry henry]

South Africa are still no.2. So much cricket is played these days that a single one-day series makes no huge difference. It is of course an excellent victory for NZ and raises out stakes in the one-day arena, but we have been a mediocre one-day side for a while, and I think we're about 4 or 5 AT BEST.

In the test arena of course SA are still #2, IMO England, NZ and Pakistan are contesting 3rd spot.

 

[Isolator]

You're getting carried away with this series. They're not no. 2, not yet.

 

[Isolator]

Having said that i must add that the standard of Intenational cricket teams must have gone terribly down

That may be true, but...

now that teams like NZ are said to be the second best in the world. [/B]

...if this is your logic then you're nuts. Are you saying that NZ can't be that good?

 

[BlackCap_Fan]

okay,so black caps may not be 2nd best team in the world,but they are at least 4th.

But I didn't go over the top when I said india being no.2 in the world being a joke.I still stick to that.

The black caps would make a match for any side in the world.

 

[Mingster]

We aren't 2nd in the world.

We are in the Top 4 though.

These rankings doesn't mean a crap anyway, anyone in the Top 6 or 7 can beat each other on their day.

 

[Gaijin-san]

One other thing nobody has mentioned is how the Kiwis have caused Australia so many problems this century. Probably the best team against Australia in the OD arena going by recent history. They really do cause problems, but the record won't show that because they just tend to stuff it up right at the end. I think that's where their problem lies. They just need to apply themselves for however long the match goes for rather than blasting like a bat out of hell and progressively easing.

You could even see that today.. South Africa stuffed up royally in their run chase in the beginning, which is what sealed the match. To get as close as they did says that NZ took their foot off the accelerator (and put the car in reverse).

 

[BlackCap_Fan]

yeah furious,expecially in the vb series (the one between AUS,NZ and SA,2000-01 season I think;if not,2001-02 season)

They knock australia out but lost to their bogey team.That is the best vb series I've seen.

 

[Mingster]

yeah furious,expecially in the vb series (the one between AUS,NZ and SA,2000-01 season I think;if not,2001-02 season)

They knock australia out but lost to their bogey team.That is the best vb series I've seen.

Obviously you have not seen many. :rolleyes:

 

[Gaijin-san]

Well the last one didn't exactly whet my appetite. That should not have been a tri-series.

 

[iamdavid]

Easily the best-led side in the world IMO , they are certainly improving & becoming more consistent lately & if they keep it up then I see no reason they cant match Australia blow for blow this summer.

Their recent record against Australia is testament to their superb leadership & their intense preperations.

However when it comes down to the crunch I still rate Australia , South Africa & India as better teams.

And England & Sri Lanka as just about equal with them.

 

[BlackCap_Fan]

Obviously you have not seen many. :rolleyes:

you're right.

But this years one was pretty pathetic if you ask me.AUS vs IND vs ZIM.hmm,I wonder who would make it to the finals?

either way,During that vb series Stephen Fleming showed some really brilliant captaincy against Australia.

 

[tooextracool]

I think so.We just defeated the no.2 team in the world,South Africa.We defeated the indians who many saidwere the 2nd in the world (which I thought was an absaloute joke)we defeated Pakistan in a series,and England(whoopee)

to be the 2nd best team in the world u have to win series' home and away. in the tri series in india nz won just one game, is that a hallmark of a great side?i think not. no doubt nz are a good team but without consistency they wont get anywhere.
as far as india being the 2nd best side in tests or one dayers go, ganguly should shut the hell up and stop making a fool of himself. does he forget how his side got hammered in the vb series by australia, or the way his side couldnt beat nz at home in the test matches or even the fact that it has been more than 15 yrs since his team has won a series abroad including zim!!!

 

[Craig]

No way. The team need's more consistentcy and needs to start winning in Asia more often and do son ona regular basis.

At WC's they do well, without making the final of them. They definatly should have won the 1992 World Cup. In fact if they had made the final, I'm confident they would have won.

Also they need to stop chopping and changing and start using more regular openers.

The standard of the State Championship and State Shield is raising.

 

[iamdavid]

I just dont think they have the depth to match up with the top sides consistently , particularly with the bat.
Some pretty promising youngsters coming through , Jesse Ryder seems to be the most hyped of them.
As well as Marshall whos taken to the top level like a fish to water & Papps who threatens to do the same.

However generally there isnt a lot of batting talent floating around the Kiwi Isles , the domestic sides are full of allrounders , many of them regularly playing only 5 or even 4 specialist batsman.
There are to many batsman who have been able to dominate the domestic scene in recent years yet who have been shown up as substandard at international level (Spearman , Horne & Mills who averages 40 odd at FC level yet cant get higher than 9 in the ODI side).

To many of the incumbent batsman at test level are underperforming consistently yet they are being retained because there is quite simply no one better to fill their boots (McMillan , Vincent , etc)

Id disagree that the domestic comp is pretty strong now , I think its the weakest of the big 8 (the test nations excluding Ban & Zim) with the exception of Sri Lanka.

 

[Craig]

However generally there isnt a lot of batting talent floating around the Kiwi Isles , the domestic sides are full of allrounders , many of them regularly playing only 5 or even 4 specialist batsman.
There are to many batsman who have been able to dominate the domestic scene in recent years yet who have been shown up as substandard at international level (Spearman , Horne & Mills who averages 40 odd at FC level yet cant get higher than 9 in the ODI side).

Mills cant go any higher is because he more so is the unlucky one to get shun down that far. Actually just about everyone in the NZ team can hold a bat. If Ross Taylor preforms next season, well who knows? Peter Fulton is a near certainty for the 'A' team v Sri Lanka and we are soon getting to the point were there are some good players being left out.

Id disagree that the domestic comp is pretty strong now , I think its the weakest of the big 8 (the test nations excluding Ban & Zim) with the exception of Sri Lanka.

What do you base that on? Any evidence to back that up? And I dont think you can say our comp is weaker then WI and Pakistan's.

I can assure you the standard is raising.

 

[Tim]

But how many State Shield or Championship games have you been to? none...therefore you don't really know too much about how poor the pitch conditions are or the ability of some of the players.

If you think the NZ comp is the weakest then prove it..I don't think you can compare comps between comps because each country has different conditions. You can compare by the amount of players playing FC for each country though & going by that yes NZ is one of the smallest.

 

[marc71178]

anyone in the Top 6 or 7 can beat each other on their day.

Indeed, I'd even stretch it to any team except Aus, Bang and Zim.

 

[tooextracool]

Indeed, I'd even stretch it to any team except Aus, Bang and Zim.

which is 7 teams!!