Better test bat: Dravid vs Sangakkara

[Thala_0710]

that’s just not correct. It’s not an error. He was still valuable for the team.

Exactly, his best away tour arguably came in 2011 and even without it, he was really valuable at no 3 for India.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Exactly, his best away tour arguably came in 2011 and even without it, he was really valuable at no 3 for India.

Not arguably, Dravid had his best work in England 2011. One of the major reasons is David's away record that I found people who puts Dravid in a tier below Ponting funny.

 

[centurymaker]

I feel like Smith might retire a bit early to protect his average

He's changed his mind now and said he'd want to play for as long as possible. In fact, he is even open to playing in the LA Olympics 2028!

Retiring early is easier said than done because it is incredibly hard to walk away from something you have done your whole life and once you retire, you are finished forever! So players would always look to play till as long as possible like late 30s, till they can still contribute or till someone better is breathing down their neck and putting pressure on their spot.

 

[centurymaker]

that’s just not correct. It’s not an error. He was still valuable for the team.

He looked gone around 2007- 2008.

2007, 10 Tests @ 35.6
2008, 15 Tests @ 30.9

25+ Tests where his output had fallen in half.

Then he had a rebound so ultimately it proved to be a good decision. I am just saying in terms of career average and how players are rated these days... where averages are everything, by playing longer he messed up his averages in quite a few places which makes the current generation and generations to follow rate him lower. For eg, this one sided poll itself is proof.

 

[ma1978]

He looked gone around 2007- 2008.

2007, 10 Tests @ 35.6
2008, 15 Tests @ 30.9

25+ Tests where his output had fallen in half.

Then he had a rebound so ultimately it proved to be a good decision. I am just saying in terms of career average and how players are rated these days... where averages are everything, by playing longer he messed up his averages in quite a few places which makes the current generation and generations to follow rate him lower. For eg, this one sided poll itself is proof.

only on this forum dude. People analyze cricket here and know so little about it because they get lost on average. No one who watched cricket at that time would rate Sangakkara higher than Dravid. A peer sure, but not higher. Same with Kallis. Dravid was the premiere all conditions player in the world for a good 6-7 year period,

 

[reyrey]

So to try to protray that if he hadn't been keeping, he would've been averaging very high in his first 5 years as well -- is very disingenuous. So you need to look at his overall figures, not just figures after developing/establishing as a batter. It takes time for players to find their feet.

Brah, you're the one trying to push his runs against good Pakistani bowling attacks to one side just because he got a lot of runs against them.

 

[centurymaker]

only on this forum dude. People analyze cricket here and know so little about it because they get lost on average. No one who watched cricket at that time would rate Sangakkara higher than Dravid. A peer sure, but not higher. Same with Kallis. Dravid was the premiere all conditions player in the world for a good 6-7 year period,

People look at raw average, even former players do (who work in media) and retrospectively start rating him higher.

 

[ma1978]

People look at raw average, even former players do (who work in media) and retrospectively start rating him higher.

Some are more informed than others

Sanga is a gun, so is Dravid. It’s ok saying that one is flattered by their average and one is not.

this poll highlights how much people go by the averages without analyzing the careers though. There’s no case Sanga is better, peers at best.

 

[ma1978]

In retrospect though, looking at Dravid’s career I rate him higher than when I watched him.

 

[ma1978]

Brah, you're the one trying to push his runs against good Pakistani bowling attacks to one side just because he got a lot of runs against them.

that Pakistan attack was jokey. Some good bowlers but also Mohammed Sami etc. reflected by the scores in the matches. The pitches were also super flat. Pakistan had strong batting at that time which somewhat compensated.

 

[reyrey]

that Pakistan attack was jokey. Some good bowlers but also Mohammed Sami etc. reflected by the scores in the matches. The pitches were also super flat. Pakistan had strong batting at that time which somewhat compensated.

He faced Pakistan bowling attacks over 13 years and 23 tests. Sami only played in 3 of them.

 

[reyrey]

Good/VGood Sri Lankan bats also played against the same Pak bowling attacks and none of them produced numbers like Sanga.

Jayaward averaged 37 against PAK post Sangas debut, Samaraw averaged 50 and Dilshan 40. They either averaged the same or well below their career averages.

If anything Sanga runs against Pak should be marked up.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Good/VGood Sri Lankan bats also played against the same Pak bowling attacks and none of them produced numbers like Sanga.

Jayaward averaged 37 against PAK post Sangas debut, Samaraw averaged 50 and Dilshan 40. They either averaged the same or well below their career averages.

If anything Sanga runs against Pak should be marked up.

Well not really because no one rates those batsmen much.

 

[reyrey]

Well not really because no one rates those batsmen much.

You don't need to rate them. Your reference point is that none of them did better against Pakistan than their average, whilst Sanga did considerably better against them than his.

 

[Migara]

that Pakistan attack was jokey. Some good bowlers but also Mohammed Sami etc. reflected by the scores in the matches. The pitches were also super flat. Pakistan had strong batting at that time which somewhat compensated.

In Sanga's 230 match, Sami has bettet ERs than Shoaib. Sanga just tore in to Shoaib. That was the first time even as Sri Lankans we saw how aggressive Sanga can get.

 

[govinda indian fan]

In Sanga's 230 match, Sami has bettet ERs than Shoaib. Sanga just tore in to Shoaib. That was the first time even as Sri Lankans we saw how aggressive Sanga can get.

Which year was that 2002?

 

[Migara]

Which year was that 2002?

PAK vs SL Cricket Scorecard, Final at Lahore, March 06 - 10, 2002

Live Cricket Scoreboard: Get Pakistan vs Sri Lanka Final, cricket scorecard, Asian Test Championship 2001/02 dated March 06 - 10, 2002.

www.espncricinfo.com

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

I feel like Smith might retire a bit early to protect his average

Too late he's already dead to me.