Better combo : Sobers & Marshall vs Sachin & Hadlee

[capt_Luffy]

Sachin career length = 24 years

Sobers career length = 20 years

Sobers is one of the guys who doesn't get Longetivity diffed imo

4 years is still significantly more imo, especially given he began at 16. No longevity dif, but definitely an advantage.

 

[Johan]

4 years is still significantly more imo, especially given he began at 16. No longevity dif, but definitely an advantage.

Eh, At that point I don't think it's much lol.

also I've been struggling to do these comparisions recently because I feel like older players should get access to marquee FC games.

 

[akilana]

Sachin is slowly becoming overrated on this site.

it's time people bring him down a notch. people act as if he has a spectacular record when in fact he was mid against most ATG attacked he faced. He's aslo helped by the home flat decks which negate most good bowlers that tour India. He's lacking in ATG knocks to be clear no 2.

 

[akilana]

Greater variety of attacks in inarguable.

doesn't mean anything when you came up short against most great attacks.

 

[akilana]

So you’re equating saying there’s a gap between Tendulkar and Sobers to the fact that people voted for someone?

i don't think he said that.

 

[Johan]

it's time people bring him down a notch. people act as if he has a spectacular record when in fact he was mid against most ATG attacked he faced. He's aslo helped by the home flat decks which negate most good bowlers that tour India. He's lacking in ATG knocks to be clear no 2.

I just don't think he's held to the same standards as other ATG bats personally. I don't know what it is about him, Maybe it's his influence and impact or whatever.

 

[Bolo.]

I've disagreements with this, While I agree that New Zealand/Pakistan/India lost most games, imo that is mostly on the batting, people like Bruce Taylor/Richard Collinge/Richard Motz/Headley Howarth were good bowlers really, so were Gupte/Mankad and especially the spin quaret Sobers faced in 67 and 71, and ofcourse Fazal Mahmood/Khan Mohammad were also good pacers, their batting was fragile but I don't think bowling was weak enough to be completely overlooked

Fair point on the batting being weak being a major factor in results.

Their bowling was weak too though, if not as weak as I thought. Their bowling average vs the better teams is a bit under 40. Bad, but not crazy bad.

 

[Johan]

Fair point on the batting being weak being a major factor in results.

Their bowling was weak too though, if not as weak as I thought. Their bowling average vs the better teams is a bit under 40. Bad, but not crazy bad.

Hmm what is this stat for 90s England?

 

[Bolo.]

Hmm what is this stat for 90s England?

Vs the top 5 teams from the 90s, 36.69. Not much better. NZ and SL are a bit worse and these 3 (worst) are cumulatively very similar to NZ/India/Pak for Sobers time.

There were 9 active teams in the 90s though. Sobers only played 5. There's a big difference between facing 2 good bowling lineups and a bunch.

 

[kyear2]

So you’re equating saying there’s a gap between Tendulkar and Sobers to the fact that people voted for someone?

I'm saying that quite a few people think something isn't validation for anything.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Eh, At that point I don't think it's much lol.

also I've been struggling to do these comparisions recently because I feel like older players should get access to marquee FC games.

The 2nd point is very fair and I do count both the RoW series for Sobers, in which he was outstanding. Re the 1st, I think 20 is legit astounding longevity, but that makes 24 just so much more magnificent.

 

[Johan]

The 2nd point is very fair and I do count both the RoW series for Sobers, in which he was outstanding.

what do you think of this kind of knocks

https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Scorecards/24/24678.html

 

[capt_Luffy]

what do you think of this kind of knocks

https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Scorecards/24/24678.html

Very Good Ones. Honestly don't know how to 1-0-1 them to Tests, but the attack is better than most Test standard ones.

 

[Johan]

Very Good Ones. Honestly don't know how to 1-0-1 them to Tests, but the attack is better than most Test standard ones.

I thought you were a data scientist

 

[kyear2]

Yeah but WI scored what, 790/3. Also Hanif had 300 in the same series. It was really flat.

No argument there

6 matches was in the 71 home series though. And re Pakistan, I will point out to the lack of other Test standard Pak bowlers except Mahmood and Khan, like really poor mostly. But fair ig.

Edit: Scratch the Pak critic. It was fair attack.

So post edit, what's the critique then?

 

[kyear2]

Like got plenty of flat beds, but Sobers Era WI overall was considerably flat. Hanif's innings is also so highly rated not for the runs he scored but the time he batted to save the game really.

No flatter than the previous era's wickets that everyone got, everywhere. With less good bowlers previously as well.

And you literally can't rate Hanif's effort and not rate Sobers's.

They were either both useless or they count for something.

I personally don't particularly rate either as great efforts.

 

[kyear2]

Everyone gets flat beds, bar Hutton and especially Trumper.

and Viv

Wonder if he missed the Viv bit, lol.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Sachin faced a lot more quality fast bowlers and ATG spinners than Sobers

 

[Johan]

Sachin faced a lot more quality fast bowlers and ATG spinners than Sobers

didn't perform well enough to really get much points for it. If he averaged 50 atleast atleast 3 of them, maybe.

 

[Johan]

Vs the top 5 teams from the 90s, 36.69. Not much better. NZ and SL are a bit worse and these 3 (worst) are cumulatively very similar to NZ/India/Pak for Sobers time.

There were 9 active teams in the 90s though. Sobers only played 5. There's a big difference between facing 2 good bowling lineups and a bunch.

well that practically proves my point no? Sachin also absolutely filled his pockets with runs against these teams just as much as Sobers against those three