Best # 4 for 1966-85 World Test XI

[aussie tragic]

This is a 5-day Poll to pick the # 4 Batsman for the “1966-85 World Test XI” (Only 1966-85 records are considered and criteria is Ave > 40.00 during the period)

Zaheer Abbas: 78 Tests, 5062 runs @ 44.79 (12/20) ----- [3 wkts @ 44.00]
Allan Border: 77 tests, 5834 runs @ 51.62 (16/30) ----- [15 wkts @ 41.66]
Greg Chappell: 87 tests, 7110 runs @ 53.86 (24/31) ----- [47 wkts @ 40.70]
Larry Gomes: 49 tests, 2841 runs @ 43.70 (9/12) ----- [13 wkts @ 66.69]
Tom Graveney: 24 tests, 1775 runs @ 49.30 (5/8) ----- [ 0 wkts]
Alvin Kallicharran: 66 tests, 4399 runs @ 44.43 (12/21) ----- [4 wkts @ 39.50]
Clive Lloyd: 110 tests, 7515 runs @ 46.67 (19/39) ----- [10 wkts @ 62.20]
Javed Miandad: 71 tests, 5350 runs @ 56.91 (14/28) ----- [17 wkts @ 39.52]
Gundappa Viswanath: 91 tests, 6080 runs @ 41.93 (14/35) ----- [1 wkt @ 46.00]
Doug Walters: 72 tests, 5065 runs @ 46.89 (13/33) ----- [46 wkts @ 29.26]

Plus the three runner-ups from the # 3 Batsman Poll:

Mohinder Amarnath: 53 tests, 3542 runs @ 43.72 (9/20) ----- [30 wkts @ 55.93]
Ian Chappell: 74 tests, 5334 runs @ 42.67 (14/26) ---- [20 wkts @ 61.80]
David Gower: 76 tests, 5385 runs @ 45.63 (12/25) ---- [1 wkt @ 15.00]


Note: Minimum of three runner-ups will go into the # 5 Poll with Allrounders averaging > 40.00


Btw, the 1966-85 World Test XI so far:

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Gordon Greenidge
3. Viv Richards
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7. Alan Knott
8. * Richard Hadlee or Dennis Lillee (at # 10)
9. Malcom Marshall
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11. --------------------

* Opening Bowler Poll still running here: http://forum.cricketweb.net/showthread.php?t=20258

 

[silentstriker]

Chappell

Though it might be helpful if there was actually a poll.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I was going to vote for Chappell but at the moment there's no way of voting.
I would have Chappell at 4 and Miandad at 5. Do the runners-up carry over to the Number 5poll?.

 

[aussie tragic]

I was going to vote for Chappell but at the moment there's no way of voting.
I would have Chappell at 4 and Miandad at 5. Do the runners-up carry over to the Number 5poll?.

Ummm, Poll is there on mine, maybe you need to refresh? And yes, runner-ups carry over to the # 5 poll.

IMO, it has to be Greg Chappell, while I think Miandad or Border should bat at # 5.

 

[Beleg]

Clive Lloyd.

 

[Perm]

Greg Chappell

 

[PhoenixFire]

Zaheer Abbas, was one of the best players to watch of all time. There hasn't been such a beautiful player of the ball since I can remember.

 

[Fusion]

I would have Chappell at 4 and Miandad at 5

Ditto.

 

[aussie]

Chappell, Abbas should have been nominated for #3 is guess, then the middle order could have been Abbas/Chappell/Richards

 

[Slifer]

Tough choice, never realised Miandad was that good. But CHapell was just a bit better so he gets my vote

 

[Alysum]

would the thread creator mind putting the country of the players. yes I don't know some of the old ones!

 

[Dasa]

Greg Chappell.

 

[aussie tragic]

Chappell, Abbas should have been nominated for #3 is guess, then the middle order could have been Abbas/Chappell/Richards

Abbas could have been in the # 3 however he averaged < 40.00 in that position so I doubt that he would have come close to Viv Richards.

btw, the people that say Richards should be at # 5 must be considering his latter career as during this period he was the best # 3 in the World and the WI top 5 of Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Kallicharran and Lloyd were just as intimidating to bowlers as the four WI pace attack were to batsmen.

 

[aussie tragic]

would the thread creator mind putting the country of the players. yes I don't know some of the old ones!

Australia: Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Border, Walters
England: Gower, Graveney
India: Armarnath, Viswanath
Pakistan: Miandad, Zaheer Abbas
West Indies: Kallicharran, Lloyd, Gomes

 

[Mister Wright]

Javed Miandad

 

[oz_fan]

Greg Chappell for me.

 

[aussie tragic]

According to the ICC ratings, the following are the peaks of the batsmen in question during the period.

1. Doug Walters: 922 pts in 1970
2. Greg Chappell: 883 pts in 1979
3. Allan Border: 877 pts in 1981
4. Gundappa Viswanath: 871 pts in 1979
5. Javed Miandad: 868 pts in 1979
6. Alvin Kallicharran: 866 pts in 1975
7. Clive Lloyd: 818 pts in 1983
8. David Gower: 817 pts in 1985
9. Ian Chappell: 811 pts in 1975
10. Zaheer Abbas: 803 pts in 1983

Totally irrelevant I know, but I just wanted to point out how good Doug Walters was. Also, he's very unlucky here as he played his first two tests (at 19-years old) within 20-days of 1966 scoring 155, 22 and 115 (all excluded here). Also, he was conscripted into the army for 2-years during the Vietnam war which means he couldn't play between 1966-68. Now if only he trained and didn't smoke and drink so much, he could have been one of the greatest ever

 

[Matt79]

No - if he didn't smoke or drink he'd have been a shadow of himself. Kerry O'Keefe's story about Dougie's greatest innings when the axe was poised to fall on him is a classic. K.D. Walters entering the Army as a non-smoking teetotaller, but fortunately emerged thoroughly reformed!

 

[Jono]

Greg Chappell

 

[Lillian Thomson]

would the thread creator mind putting the country of the players. yes I don't know some of the old ones!

So you're going to vote for players you've never heard of just because of their nationality? Not very objective and defeats the object a bit.