BCCI rejects 'whereabouts' testing

[Craig]

The ETA have not published a list saying that they want to capture or kill Contador while the Indian cricket stars have been on the terrorist hit list for some time now.

You also forget that the attack on the Sri Lankan squad that happened in Pakistan was when the poor chaps visited Pakistan when the Indian squad cancelled their tour.....it is said amongst Indian security circles that the Indian team had been the original targets but they went for the Sri Lankans anyways as plans had been made and therefore had to be carried out.

You do not seem to understand the situation in India/Pakistan and are making absurd armchair judgement.

Actually I didn't forget about the terriorist attack on the Sri Lankan team so don't patronise me.

 

[marc71178]

The Lahore attack had no precedent either

But it was completely unrelated to anything regarding WADA or whereabouts of players when out of competition.

 

[sirdj]

Actually I didn't forget about the terriorist attack on the Sri Lankan team so don't patronise me.

The part that I thought you forgot was that it was the Indian team which was the original target of the terrorists.

 

[Pigeon]

But it was completely unrelated to anything regarding WADA or whereabouts of players when out of competition.

I agree it should not be "the" major reason for opposing the WADA, but just one among many reasons why people hate that supposedly draconian clause.

While the probability of terrorists accessing the WADA documents are by their claim, pretty low, still it opens up that extra risk anyways.

 

[sirdj]

But it was completely unrelated to anything regarding WADA or whereabouts of players when out of competition.

Certain members(and by that I dont mean you) are either unaware of the security risk that Indian players face while in the subcontinent, or are just choosing to play dumb for the sake of argument.

The point being made is that that the Indian team / certain players from the team have been terrorist targets for a long time now. Crackdown on local terrorist cells in India about 4 years back or so showed that there were clear instructions from puppetmasters located in Pakistan/Afghanistan to grab certain senior players from the Indian cricket team.

The players who are objecting to the whereabout clause of the WADA say that to disclose it would be a breach of security.

If you think that its ok to tell the WADA the whereabouts on a particular day at a particular time then you just don't understand what presidential level of cover is, therefore there can be no meaningful discussion further in this case.

 

[Pigeon]

Certain members(and by that I dont mean you) are either unaware of the security risk that Indian players face while in the subcontinent, or are just choosing to play dumb for the sake of argument.

The point being made is that that the Indian team / certain players from the team have been terrorist targets for a long time now. Crackdown on local terrorist cells in India about 4 years back or so showed that there were clear instructions from puppetmasters located in Pakistan/Afghanistan to grab certain senior players from the Indian cricket team.

The players who are objecting to the whereabout clause of the WADA say that to disclose it would be a breach of security.

If you think that its ok to tell the WADA the whereabouts on a particular day at a particular time then you just don't understand what presidential level of cover is, therefore there can be no meaningful discussion further in this case.

The best way is to exclude such players from the clause. I think among the 11 selected, only Sachin Tendulkar, MS Dhoni and Yuvraj Singh have visible threats and hence Z category security. In fact am not sure about Yuvraj.

 

[shivfan]

Guys, there's nobody that terrorists hate more than Americans. I'm sure American world sprinting stars are seen as more of a worldwide target than Indian cricket stars....

WADA has handled drug tests for sporting icons such as Tyson Gay, the World Champion in the 100 and 200 metres. He is much more of a worldwide figure than Sachin Tendulkar.

And don't tell me that terrorists who operate out of Pakistan are more interested in Indian targets than American ones. As far as I can recall, Daniel Pearl was American - not Indian.

If WADA can handle the drug tests for Tyson Gay without compromising his safety to terrorists, then they can certainly handle Indian cricketers....

 

[Pigeon]

Guys, there's nobody that terrorists hate more than Americans. I'm sure American world sprinting stars are seen as more of a worldwide target than Indian cricket stars....

That's frankly over the top mate. While America has been in the frame only for the last 2 decades or so, India has been targeted pretty well over 50 years now.

WADA has handled drug tests for sporting icons such as Tyson Gay, the World Champion in the 100 and 200 metres. He is much more of a worldwide figure than Sachin Tendulkar.

And don't tell me that terrorists who operate out of Pakistan are more interested in Indian targets than American ones. As far as I can recall, Daniel Pearl was American - not Indian.

If WADA can handle the drug tests for Tyson Gay without compromising his safety to terrorists, then they can certainly handle Indian cricketers....

Any idea how many guys have been killed in India by the terrorists? It's atleast 10-20 times more than the number of Americans or other foreigners killed. Just because the news don't reach you does not mean it does not happen.

Unlike Gay, Tendulkar & Dhoni have received death threats in their names from these guys.

Plus, Gay & others might be brave enough to discount the anti-American sentiments, but when I have a death warrant issued in my name, I'll prefer looking the coward rather than being dead.

Also may I add, Gay spends almost all his time in the US and other developed countries where the home security is tight enough. Not the case with Indian cricketers who spend atleast 80% time in the subcontinent, where, if not personalised, security is pretty much a joke.

 

[Streetwise]

WADA is not a terrorist organisation they only want urine samples. They dont go around killing athletes.

 

[Pigeon]

WADA is not a terrorist organisation they only want urine samples. They dont go around killing athletes.

facepalm

 

[shivfan]

Come now, you can't really be trying to convince me that Indians are more of a terror target than Americans!

1) The argument is becoming plainly silly now. If WADA can handle American athletes without compromising their safety, they can do the same for Indian cricketers.

2) WADA has no history of revealing whereabouts to terrorists, so to use that as a pretext for not complying is even more silly.

3) Athletes can change their whereabouts on a regular basis online or by SMS up to 24 hours before, so it's not like the cricketer's manager has to submit a truthful list of whereabouts!

The security argument is such a ridiculous one on so many fronts....

 

[Pigeon]

Come now, you can't really be trying to convince me that Indians are more of a terror target than Americans!

1) The argument is becoming plainly silly now. If WADA can handle American athletes without compromising their safety, they can do the same for Indian cricketers.

WADA does not handle security of the american players. The american govt does.

2) WADA has no history of revealing whereabouts to terrorists, so to use that as a pretext for not complying is even more silly.

Lack of precedent does not mean lax security policies can be followed. How many nuclear wars have happened till date?

3) Athletes can change their whereabouts on a regular basis online or by SMS up to 24 hours before, so it's not like the cricketer's manager has to submit a truthful list of whereabouts!

That's a good suggestion and I agree it is worth a thought.

The security argument is such a ridiculous one on so many fronts....

Not really.

 

[shivfan]

WADA does not handle security of the american players. The american govt does.

Exactly - which is why it's so stupid to use security as a reason not to give details to WADA....

Obviously, you're not an athletics fan. Athletes change their schedules many times after submitting them. What I'm outlining here is hardly re-inventing the wheel.

 

[Pigeon]

Exactly - which is why it's so stupid to use security as a reason not to give details to WADA....

:duh: That's disappointing. The problem is security of data entrusted with the WADA officials and not security provided to the guys.

Obviously, you're not an athletics fan. Athletes change their schedules many times after submitting them. What I'm outlining here is hardly re-inventing the wheel.

More to do with the location of the guys rather than scheduling.

 

[shivfan]

:duh: That's disappointing. The problem is security of data entrusted with the WADA officials and not security provided to the guys.



More to do with the location of the guys rather than scheduling.

You're clearly missing the point....

WADA is given the same data about Indians as it is about Americans. Security has not been compromised about Americans, so why would it be about Indians?

The location is very much a part of the scheduling. If you originally said you'd be in New Delhi on Aug 16 at 10pm, you can change it to Mumbai on Aug 16 at 10pm.

Hey, if you gave Osama Bin Laden a choice between getting the info to blow up Sachin Tendulkar or the info to blow up Tyson Gay, the champion of the Great Satan, I'm pretty sure he would choose the latter any time....

The fact that WADA have not given the terrorists any info to facilitate that is good enough for me. If that's not good enough for a handful of paranoid India fans, then you guys clearly have an over-inflated opinion of your sports stars....

 

[Pigeon]

You're clearly missing the point....

WADA is given the same data about Indians as it is about Americans. Security has not been compromised about Americans, so why would it be about Indians?

You just don't get it.

Hey, if you gave Osama Bin Laden a choice between getting the info to blow up Sachin Tendulkar or the info to blow up Tyson Gay, the champion of the Great Satan, I'm pretty sure he would choose the latter any time....

Wow, such a simplistic erroneous viewpoint you have there mate. Osama is not the only terrorist in the world, secondly you hardly know Osama to make such a point.

The fact that WADA have not given the terrorists any info to facilitate that is good enough for me. If that's not good enough for a handful of paranoid India fans, then you guys clearly have an over-inflated opinion of your sports stars....

Cut the patronising tone mister.

 

[sirdj]

WADA is not a terrorist organisation they only want urine samples. They dont go around killing athletes.

The Al Qaeda are everywhere including this forum....in fact one of the members in this very thread is from the Al Qaeda.........did you not know that. Do not trust anyone

 

[sirdj]

You're clearly missing the point....

Nope, you are dude. Talk about the irony of the situation. Here is a dude who has never stepped out of his bedroom much less been to the subcontinent, yet talking about what the Al Qaeda would prefer and which person would make a better target. Have you been inside the head of a terrorist? Nope, so stop making foolish speculations.

WADA is given the same data about Indians as it is about Americans. Security has not been compromised about Americans, so why would it be about Indians?

The location is very much a part of the scheduling. If you originally said you'd be in New Delhi on Aug 16 at 10pm, you can change it to Mumbai on Aug 16 at 10pm.

1. No specific american has been named as a potential target.
2. Americans dont live next doors to pakistan & afghanistan or for that matter iraq.
3. America generally is better prepared to deal any terrorists threats than India is. This is despite the fact that India is right next doors to these buggers.

Therefore american atheletes feel safe enough to tell wada their whereabouts.
Indians olympians feel safe, but they have not been mentioned in death lists.

Its a pretty stupid argument to say if the americans feel safe about a particular issue, so should you. Thats as stupid as saying that I am not scared of aids so you should not be either. The variables in the circumstances are totally different between the two.

Hey, if you gave Osama Bin Laden a choice between getting the info to blow up Sachin Tendulkar or the info to blow up Tyson Gay, the champion of the Great Satan, I'm pretty sure he would choose the latter any time....

Unless your last name is Bin Laden, or you are the member of the local Al Qaeda cell...it would be advisable not to post such stupid speculations.

The fact that WADA have not given the terrorists any info to facilitate that is good enough for me. If that's not good enough for a handful of paranoid India fans, then you guys clearly have an over-inflated opinion of your sports stars....

Pardon me but your ignorance and prejudice is showing.

 

[R_D]

lol at Shiv...
clearly Fox news or whatever equivalent they have in England are doing their job well.

 

[Craig]

But nobody has explained how terriorists will get the whereabouts about Indian cricketers if they are not published. I have never pretended to be an expert on India/Pakistan since I haven't been there (Kerala is on my wish list btw), but I try and learn as much as possible by being on here, watching World News Australia, on the internet etc. but I do know a bit about how the 'whereabouts' system works.

BTW I don't watch Fox "News" and I have been to 19 countries on this planet and about 4 of them were in Asia.