BCCI rejects 'whereabouts' testing

[marc71178]

That's what they'll do then. If the players really think they can get away without being tested like that then they'll have to go there themselves to avoid missing any test that might happen.

 

[sirdj]

Hahaha.....Fat chance that someone from WADA will ride a donkey to reach Bhajji in Mungher...........might be worthwhile to see this spectacle.

 

[Top_Cat]

Couldn't you just micro dose?

Depends on the regime but I'd guess you'd then lose the effect and make it pointless to take.

 

[pup11]

That's what they'll do then. If the players really think they can get away without being tested like that then they'll have to go there themselves to avoid missing any test that might happen.

Mate, he is just taking you on a ride...

 

[Streetwise]

They're not reaching these places unless they ride a donkey.

Helicopter................ check
rope ladder............... check
specimen bottle........ check

You were saying.

 

[sirdj]

Helicopter................ check
rope ladder............... check
specimen bottle........ check

You were saying.

Helicopter needs a place to land....unless the WADA guys have SAS training and can jump off the helicopter. Doubt very much they can climb up and down a rope ladder.

 

[Fusion]

If you can't do it without infringing horribly on people's privacy, you don't do it. It's as simple as that.

Nobody would accept that kind of treatment in any other walk of life. What if the government said we should all report to a high-ranking administrator saying where we are every single day in case we did something illegal? You wouldn't be having any of it, and you know it. Yet you still expect professional cricketers who have done nothing wrong except... be professional cricketers to put up with it.

Sports players are people, and wanting to rid a sport of drug abuse doesn't mean we can ask them to waive their basic human rights.

The man talks sense.

I'm all for testing, but it can't encroach on anyone's reasonable expectations of privacy rights. If the choice is between a Big Brother world or no testing at all, I'll sadly go with the latter.

 

[Cruxdude]

"There are two cricketers who absolutely cannot disclose their whereabouts," Shetty told Cricinfo. "There is a security concern with them, and they are under security cover so I don't think they can disclose their whereabouts on a daily basis."

When a person feels his security is on the line, you really can't blame him for objecting to it.

"What they are asking is not for the moon, they are asking for just some flexibility in approach. Tendulkar is on record saying that we are available for tests every day, during the matches, during tour, during camps, we are not saying you don't test us," Shetty said. "We have made it very clear we are all for zero-tolerance, we want doping tests, and we are not opposed to that. All that we are saying is that there should be flexibility in the whereabouts clause. We are asking for a more practical and structured system, that's all. If they are playing for 9 months, 10 months a year, they are free to catch them any time, take them for the test. They can also do the test during match training camps and coaching camps. Even when they are not playing for the country, you can do the tests during Ranji matches."

This also seems reasonable.

 

[Pigeon]

ammm what to say
well i can't support ICC & i cant support BCCI too
well what i think should happen is that Home Boards should take responsibility for making playera available in 24 hours

That's the most sincere words I've heard here so far.

 

[Pigeon]

"There are two cricketers who absolutely cannot disclose their whereabouts," Shetty told Cricinfo. "There is a security concern with them, and they are under security cover so I don't think they can disclose their whereabouts on a daily basis."

When a person feels his security is on the line, you really can't blame him for objecting to it.

"What they are asking is not for the moon, they are asking for just some flexibility in approach. Tendulkar is on record saying that we are available for tests every day, during the matches, during tour, during camps, we are not saying you don't test us," Shetty said. "We have made it very clear we are all for zero-tolerance, we want doping tests, and we are not opposed to that. All that we are saying is that there should be flexibility in the whereabouts clause. We are asking for a more practical and structured system, that's all. If they are playing for 9 months, 10 months a year, they are free to catch them any time, take them for the test. They can also do the test during match training camps and coaching camps. Even when they are not playing for the country, you can do the tests during Ranji matches."

This also seems reasonable.

Exactly. I don't know how this WADA whereabouts rule is going to "catch" those athletes whom otherwise could not be caught.

The benefits should always outweigh the costs, and I don't see how in this case it is ensured.

 

[Craig]

Depends on the regime but I'd guess you'd then lose the effect and make it pointless to take.

I know it is common for it to happen in big cycling races to try and avoid testing positive. I think this agrees with you, but not that I understand it too much since I haven't studied it too much.

 

[Craig]

Exactly. I don't know how this WADA whereabouts rule is going to "catch" those athletes whom otherwise could not be caught.

The benefits should always outweigh the costs, and I don't see how in this case it is ensured.

I know of a case where they went to Turkey to catch a Kazakh cyclist, and catch him they did.

 

[shivfan]

The Israeli atheletes do not have Z grade security when they are off season.....if you knew anything about Indian cricket, you would know what sort of security cordon is around certain players.

Lets not get into Israeli athletes and what happened to them at Munich. There are no current Israeli athletes of importance who have a death threat or kidnap threat on their heads.

And let's not pretend that Indian cricketers are the only sports people of importance in the world....

More sports fans around the world know who Usain Bolt is than Sachin Tendulkar.

With regards to Israeli athletes, it's not who they are but what they represent that would be of value to terrorists.

In any case, in posts mentioned above, the security issue is a smokescreen. The cricket star can just get his well-paid manager to change the location by SMS 24 hours before the test is due, and that's acceptable....

 

[Pigeon]

And let's not pretend that Indian cricketers are the only sports people of importance in the world....

More sports fans around the world know who Usain Bolt is than Sachin Tendulkar.

With regards to Israeli athletes, it's not who they are but what they represent that would be of value to terrorists.

In any case, in posts mentioned above, the security issue is a smokescreen. The cricket star can just get his well-paid manager to change the location by SMS 24 hours before the test is due, and that's acceptable....

Unfortunately or otherwise those shmucks in Afghanistan and Pakistan and India (the terrorists) prefer Tendulkar to Bolt, for obvious reasons.

 

[Cruxdude]

Unfortunately or otherwise those shmucks in Afghanistan and Pakistan and India (the terrorists) prefer Tendulkar to Bolt, for obvious reasons.

This is something that seems to escape the notice of these guys. The Taliban would prefer a Sachin to an Usain Bolt any day.

 

[Craig]

This is something that seems to escape the notice of these guys. The Taliban would prefer a Sachin to an Usain Bolt any day.

Seriously bro, WADA will not make it public about their tested athletes, I mean why would they? It is not like they are going to give out the details on twitter or facebook that MS Dhoni is on vacation and here is the address to his hotel and at 8.30pm he will be having dinner at the hotel restuarant. It's the same in Spain who have had problems with ETA for the last 50 years, the winner of the most recent Tour de France is Spanish, Alberto Contador, and they could make a real statement by putting a bomb in his car (that is one of their specialties), but they haven't since his whereabouts isn't made public.

 

[sirdj]

Seriously bro, WADA will not make it public about their tested athletes, I mean why would they? It is not like they are going to give out the details on twitter or facebook that MS Dhoni is on vacation and here is the address to his hotel and at 8.30pm he will be having dinner at the hotel restuarant. It's the same in Spain who have had problems with ETA for the last 50 years, the winner of the most recent Tour de France is Spanish, Alberto Contador, and they could make a real statement by putting a bomb in his car (that is one of their specialties), but they haven't since his whereabouts isn't made public.

The ETA have not published a list saying that they want to capture or kill Contador while the Indian cricket stars have been on the terrorist hit list for some time now.

You also forget that the attack on the Sri Lankan squad that happened in Pakistan was when the poor chaps visited Pakistan when the Indian squad cancelled their tour.....it is said amongst Indian security circles that the Indian team had been the original targets but they went for the Sri Lankans anyways as plans had been made and therefore had to be carried out.

You do not seem to understand the situation in India/Pakistan and are making absurd armchair judgement.

 

[shivfan]

Really, guys! You're acting as if WADA has a history of giving out information of athletes to terrorists....

Where is the precedent?

And, as has been mentioned many times before on this thread, while athletes are required to give a list of whereabouts in advance, they can change it many times by SMS up to 24 hours before. Just another job for these cricketers' highly paid managers to do....

 

[Pigeon]

Really, guys! You're acting as if WADA has a history of giving out information of athletes to terrorists....

Where is the precedent?

And, as has been mentioned many times before on this thread, while athletes are required to give a list of whereabouts in advance, they can change it many times by SMS up to 24 hours before. Just another job for these cricketers' highly paid managers to do....

The Lahore attack had no precedent either

 

[sirdj]

Really, guys! You're acting as if WADA has a history of giving out information of athletes to terrorists....

Where is the precedent?

And, as has been mentioned many times before on this thread, while athletes are required to give a list of whereabouts in advance, they can change it many times by SMS up to 24 hours before. Just another job for these cricketers' highly paid managers to do....

And you're acting as if you don't understand what presidential level security is.