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Battle of the Test captains

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Is it possible to add in series wins, series drawn and series lost? For me, it'd help in deciding.

Worrell btw.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Vaughan for me. I do have hideous visions of exactly how good he is becoming apparent this winter. Hope I'm wrong tho. He's a great thinking captain & his field placings actually show that he studies his oppo's games. Well, he probably has someone with a laptop do it for him, but it's amazing the captains that seemingly don't. Off the top of my head this summer Inzi actually put a fielder on the straight drive for Strauss! Has he ever played that shot?!
 

Sir Redman

State Vice-Captain
silentstriker said:
You said "more then one criteria, then use reasoning beyond that". So, I am asking you for criteria. And its not about who has the better stats or going beyond stats, as AS THERE ARE NO STATS FOR CAPTAINCY!

I am waiting for an example of other criteria.
**Cough**

Me said:
How about runs scored, centuries scored, conversion rates, batting averages, batting strike rates, wickets taken, bowling averages and bowling strike rates of that player's team? Because it makes the world of difference to which result is likely to occur.

I'm sure someone could come up with a basic formula based on their team's stats, something that gives lower scores if their players are good e.g (winning %)*(sum of bowling averages of team's bowlers)/(total number of wickets taken*sum of top six batting averages*total runs scored)

And you could screw around with the formula to get values in a range of say 0 to 100.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
grecian said:
Is the "captaincy win-lose percentage", Silentstrikers "First chance average"?

A minority of one belief.:unsure:
Not really.

In some ways the first chance average has some merits, but always falls down on the subjectivity of what actually is a chance.

Mind you in some ways the art of captaincy is subjective.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Jono said:
Just like Lara scoring 100 against an attack of Donald and Pollock is more of an achievement than Ponting scoring a 200 against Nehra and Zaheer.
Bearing in mind his record against India, I'd say the 200 is more of an achievment! ;)
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
silentstriker said:
The man has won 11/12 series in which he has captained. I mean, come on. Its not him, its you.
The man has had on paper far and away the better side man for man in 12 out of those 12 series...

Also, those 12 series include a series loss to India, thus it's now only 10 out of 12...
 

C_C

International Captain
silentstriker said:
So, what if the team is quality only because the specific captain was in fact the captain? Basically, how do you separate out the good team from its captain? As for preceding and following, that would only work if the teams [except the captain] remained the same. And Fleming has been captain so long that the preeciding captain comparison is meaningless. The teams are totally different.

Effect on countries cricketing standards? What does that even mean, and how do you measure that, and more importantly, how can you tell if it was because of the captain?

That is your fundamental problem here- confusing between qualitative and quantitative analysis.
Both has its time and place but both often cannot co-exist.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
This is one of the very few times I will vote for anything based on any form of generational or national bias.

Who was more of a cultural icon? Worrell, who dealt with more off the field with regards to politics and economics? Worrell, Who was a leader of men off the field during a period of regional change? Worrell. Who was the better captain and decision maker on the field? Vaughan

Vaughan
 
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