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Battle of the Cricketers

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Since this thread is on the first page again, I was watching a cricket DVD called The Story of Cricket the other night. They showed Trueman picking up 300 wickets, and Benaud was commentating at the time. He said something along the lines of "This is a feat no one will ever accomplish again. No player will get 300 test wickets again, at least not in my lifetime".

Either he didn't think he was going to live this long, or we're playing a hell of a lot more cricket nowadays :p
 

Deja moo

International Captain
Jono said:
Since this thread is on the first page again, I was watching a cricket DVD called The Story of Cricket the other night. They showed Trueman picking up 300 wickets, and Benaud was commentating at the time. He said something along the lines of "This is a feat no one will ever accomplish again. No player will get 300 test wickets again, at least not in my lifetime".

Either he didn't think he was going to live this long, or we're playing a hell of a lot more cricket nowadays :p
Duffman says a lot of things, ohhh yeah!!
 

LongHopCassidy

International Captain
He said something along the lines of "This is a feat no one will ever accomplish again. No player will get 300 test wickets again, at least not in my lifetime."
I thought he said something along the lines of:
[Yorkshire accent]"If someone passes my record, they're gonna be bloody tired!"[/Yorkshire accent]
 
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luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Jono said:
Either he didn't think he was going to live this long, or we're playing a hell of a lot more cricket nowadays :p
A huge increase in the amount of test cricket - this is basically down to air travel first and foremost - in the past, tours were invariably undertaken by sea - and a typical schedule for an England v Australia series involved weeks of ocean travel and 5 months of cricket - for a 5 test series.

See 1946-47 for example
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Well the voting started way back in November 2005 & much as I'd like to see FST carry sway, I'm calling it 12-8 in favour of Imran Khan. :p

To recap, we were running a "Battle of the fast-bowlers". Jamee's draw for the second round was thus:

Jamee999 said:
Here is the second round draw:

Joel Garner vs Wasim Akram
Harold Larwood vs Allan Donald
Fred Trueman vs Imran Khan
Malcolm Marshall vs Glenn McGrath (should be good)
Ian Bishop vs Richard Hadlee
Andy Roberts vs Wes Hall
Waqar Younis vs Raymond Lindwall
Dennis Lillee vs Curtly Ambrose
Wasim defeated Big Bird 14-5 & AAD whitewashed Larwood 14-0 so both join Imran in the Quarters.

Ok:

Round2 - Battle 4

Malcolm Marshall


vs

Glenn McGrath


8 months per battle seems OTT, so I may limit this one to 24 hours...
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Christ almighty, you didnt bring this thread back with an easy choice!

Marshall is one of my 3 fav. bowlers of all time but I cannot get away from McGrath.

Trying to take personal preferences out of the equation I think it has to be the big man. A triumph of substance over style.

Over a long, long period he has been nothing short of perfect

McGrath though I may regret this choice later
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Monster matchup this.

I'll go for McGrath. There's a few different reasons, including obviously the fact that I've seen virtually every ball of McGrath's career and only segments of Marshall's, and the fact that I find McGrath's style a bit more pleasing on the eye. Really though, in such an even battle I think that the fact that McGrath has played in such a batsman-dominated era counts in his favour. If you compare his record to the others of his time, he's rivalled statistically only by Murali, who gets quite helpful conditions for his style of bowling for plenty of his games. McGrath has succeeded as a seam bowler with no great pace in an era of flat pitches, dominant batsmen and high scores, and maintained a record in the process that puts him among the best of all time on a statistical basis.

I'm also a great admirer of the fact that while McGrath is a bowler who gets a large portion of his wickets through consistency, accuracy and subtle variations, much like someone like Hadlee, he is also possibly the best exploiter of seam-friendly conditions in the modern era. While McGrath is good on a subcontinent road or mid-season Adelaide on day 1 or whatever because he can bowl 20 overs for 30 runs and take a wicket or two in the process, he's also virtually unplayable on those rare occasions in the modern cricket world where he actually gets a helpful surface. His ability to absolutely dismantle teams at Lords for instance (a place which suits his bowling quite well) is absolutely amazing, with performances like 8 for 30 odd in 97 and 5 for 1 in 05 at that ground. One has to imagine that if he played in an era where more pitches suited his bowling he might have been an even more successful bowler.

Marshall followed in the footsteps of some of the greatest fast bowling attacks and at times improved on them, and is no doubt he is one of the finest fast bowlers of all time. Against any but 3 or 4, I'd vote for him, but in this case it's McGrath.
 
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Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Pigeon. Great Thread and Thanks Brumbyboy for bumping this up and taking charge.
 
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Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
I dislike McGrath, whereas Marshall from what I've seen and read (and heard) would very likely have been my favourite bowler had I watched during his era.

That being said, for McGrath to be so dominant and brilliant in an era where batsman dominate bowling like no other, is truly a testament to just how good he really is. Not to mention I've grown up watching his career, getting **** scared whenever he came on to bowl against India. I'll vote McGrath. What a champion.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Marshall for me - I dread to think what sort of number of wickets he'd have taken had he not been part of that sort of attack.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
marc71178 said:
Marshall for me - I dread to think what sort of number of wickets he'd have taken had he not been part of that sort of attack.
Its always an interesting one that.

On the one hand we have someone saying Kapils bowling average would have dropped by around 5 if he had had some major seam bowling support and you suggest Marshall would have done far better if he had not had the support he had.

Its a tough one. In all honesty I don't think it makes that much difference.

- If you are part of a quartet you are constantly putting the batting side under pressure and the efforts of the others can be reaped by another bowler who is part of the chain. Team bowling pressure benefits all the bowlers.
- You are always kept fresh and able to bowl at your best due to the rotation.
- There is no soft option for a batsman to wait for and there is no point seeing off the best bowler as an equal will just take their place. This makes it easier for a 'pack bowler' to take wickets.

on the other hand

- If you are the main bowler of a relatively weak attack it frees the tail up for you to take cheap wickets as you are the main threat.
- There are wickets to take as the spearhead of a weak attack as the others will not take them in massive numbers

Swings and roundabouts really.
 
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