Ball-Tampering Hearing

[Burgey]

But really.... first class ****wad.

Well said. I'll have to up the ante in future when giving sprays.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Is it me, or is Richie Benaud looking pretty handsome in this pic?

He's all class. His 76th birthday on Friday incidentally. Might have a drink in his honour under the circumstances.

 

[honestbharani]

I think it was more than just 1 or 2 though, although even 2 in the same spot would be about as likely as winning the lottery.

if u read one of my subsequent replies, you will see I have tried to be the devil's advocate in this thing. Let us assume here that Pakistan did tamper with the ball, and the marks found by Simon Hughes were from a Pakistan player's hands (although it is a 50-50 proposition even according to Hughes, at best). At this stage, these marks aren't conclusive enough to still prove anything. He could have at least waited for a few more overs, by which time Pakistan would have tampered with the ball even more and he could have had a more concrete evidence. He still acted in haste and he refused to consider the reactions such an allegation could cause. That has been my whole gripe with him. I can sympathize with him somewhat on the Murali issue (he could have handled THAT better too, but he only acted according to the then existing laws) but here he just forgot to use whatever common sense he has. That in an umpire, to me, is almost unforgivable.

 

[honestbharani]

The law is an ***!

EDIT: "The law is a donkey" just doesn't have the same ring to it

Well done, Mr. Bumble.

 

[honestbharani]

But that is what we are telling you. A court never finds someone 'innocent' - it decides whether there is sufficient evidence of guilt or not. Sometimes a person's innocence is conclusively demonstrated in the process, but that's a means, not an end.

so every guy that has gone to court can be said to have committed a crime
?

 

[honestbharani]

Man. That sort of crap is why I gave up on posting in this issue. What absolute rubbish.

yep. almost as bad as Scaly's posts here.

 

[howardj]

Well said, Burgey, but really, far too mild.

Legglancer, you're a right ****ing idiot. I read Benaud's comments, and disagreed with him, and thought it was far too charitable towards the umpires in this situation.

But calling a man like Benaud a bigot, on no basis other than he gave his opinion on this event, is freaking outrageous and shameful. You utterly discredit yourself as a rational contributer with such a viewpoint.

Absolutely pathetic.

He has lost the plot though. Not only with his comments on this issue, but his commentary in the last five years has been quite sad. I gave up listening to anything he had to say quite some time ago. He just goes out of his way to 'clever' and 'witty'. Someone please tap him on the shoulder.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Is it me, or is Richie Benaud looking pretty handsome in this pic?

He reminds of one of those 'miracle tonic' salesman, particularly the one in The Outlaw Josey Wales who Clint spits on.


Anyway I gave up with posting or reading anything in here ages ago, it's just a thread where a lot of ridiculously pro-Pakistan people congregrate and spout garbage because they think their idol has regained his halo. It's a waste of time arguing with them because they're too pious in their belief to really take anything in other than Hair=evil, Inzi=righteous god, ICC=honest, law abiding organisation, Pakistan/PCB=uncorruptable, honest, always right and finally anyone who disagrees=racist, bigoted, scum of the earth etc..

 

[nightprowler10]

Unfair blanket statement for all who disagree with you. I've come to expect nothing better from you, Scaly.

 

[nightprowler10]

Well said, Burgey, but really, far too mild.

Legglancer, you're a right ****ing idiot. I read Benaud's comments, and disagreed with him, and thought it was far too charitable towards the umpires in this situation.

But calling a man like Benaud a bigot, on no basis other than he gave his opinion on this event, is freaking outrageous and shameful. You utterly discredit yourself as a rational contributer with such a viewpoint.

Absolutely pathetic.

Dead on post mate.

 

[marc71178]

But Boycott and Hughes didn't give their opinion on wether they SAW someone do it.

Of course they didn't, since nobody saw it happen.

What I am saying though is that those scratches did get there somehow, and although the how is not known, there is a strong likelihood that it was not solely from natural wear and tear.

However what I have also said is that without comparing it to another ball of similar age, one can't say if the same sort of marks appear in similar places on all balls used...

 

[silentstriker]

What I am saying though is that those scratches did get there somehow, and although the how is not known, there is a strong likelihood that it was not solely from natural wear and tear.

However what I have also said is that without comparing it to another ball of similar age, one can't say if the same sort of marks appear in similar places on all balls used...

Thats the thing though, if the witnesses (most of whom have been around cricket for their entire lives) thought that there was a strong likelihood that it was not soely from natural wear and tear, why would they testify the exact opposite and say that there was a strong chance that it was from natural wear and tear.

I think your second statement has to be true, or at least close to it, for them to testify any other way.

In any case, my final verdict:

think Hair handled the situation badly and Inzy was wrong to walk off. Inzy should have been suspensed as he was, and PCB should pay the ECB for their losses, and Hair should not officiate any international matches.


Thus speaks SS, make it so.

 

[Fusion]

Anyway I gave up with posting or reading anything in here ages ago, it's just a thread where a lot of ridiculously pro-Pakistan people congregrate and spout garbage because they think their idol has regained his halo. It's a waste of time arguing with them because they're too pious in their belief to really take anything in other than Hair=evil, Inzi=righteous god, ICC=honest, law abiding organisation, Pakistan/PCB=uncorruptable, honest, always right and finally anyone who disagrees=racist, bigoted, scum of the earth etc..

A lecture about "spouting garbage" from a guy who on this very thread suggested that ICC had changed the ball in order to frame Hair.

 

[Legglancer]

Well said, Burgey, but really, far too mild.

Legglancer, you're a right ****ing idiot. I read Benaud's comments, and disagreed with him, and thought it was far too charitable towards the umpires in this situation.

But calling a man like Benaud a bigot, on no basis other than he gave his opinion on this event, is freaking outrageous and shameful. You utterly discredit yourself as a rational contributer with such a viewpoint.

Absolutely pathetic.

I was useing the word POSSIBLY libarally to prove a point to the previous post which equally OTT. Personally I belive my comments were too harsh but I don't subscribe to the View that Benaud is the Most "Unbiased, Knowledgable and Respected" (Maybe in Australia and few other countries but Definitely not universally) . No offence intended and if caused I do apologise.

Also SL I am sorry you feel that way. I for one find most of what you have to say quite insightful and interesting and for that I thank you !

 

[Jono]

yep. almost as bad as Scaly's posts here.

Haha good point, people only jump to the defences when it suits the argument, but fail to criticise those on 'their side' who are making asses of themselves.

Mind you, calling Richie a bigot was worse than what Scaly said though.

 

[Scaly piscine]

A lecture about "spouting garbage" from a guy who on this very thread suggested that ICC had changed the ball in order to frame Hair.

I said they could have easily changed the ball if they wanted - which is a fact.

This is typical of the sort of crap this whole ball tampering issue has gotten from pro-Pakistan zealots I'm afraid, they fail to put any sort of proper argument forward (like Inzi who just mumbles about honour ad nauseam) so they resort to this sort of nonsense or blatant ignorance as in the case of the definition of not guilty. In the end those like Fusion can only hope that they bring people down to their level, because they've no intelligence, no respect, no points whatsoever. In short they're a waste of space.

There are so many examples, but I'll just keep it short. Before the judgement the pro-Pakistan zealots were busy accusing Hair of racism, clearing Inzi of any wrongdoing without having a clue. Throughout I said to wait and see what the evidence was before accusing Hair of racism and the rest. Now the evidence was supposedly inconclusive these people comparing Hair to Hitler want *me* to apologise?!? Enough of being patient with stupid people, I don't have the time. Back to just shoving them on ignore.

 

[Fusion]

I said they could have easily changed the ball if they wanted - which is a fact.

And Hair could possibly be a Martian whose only purpose in life is to make bad umpiring judgments. Doesn't make the theory any less moronic.

This is typical of the sort of crap this whole ball tampering issue has gotten from pro-Pakistan zealots I'm afraid, they fail to put any sort of proper argument forward (like Inzi who just mumbles about honour ad nauseam) so they resort to this sort of nonsense or blatant ignorance as in the case of the definition of not guilty. In the end those like Fusion can only hope that they bring people down to their level, because they've no intelligence, no respect, no points whatsoever. In short they're a waste of space.

There are so many examples, but I'll just keep it short. Before the judgement the pro-Pakistan zealots were busy accusing Hair of racism, clearing Inzi of any wrongdoing without having a clue. Throughout I said to wait and see what the evidence was before accusing Hair of racism and the rest. Now the evidence was supposedly inconclusive these people comparing Hair to Hitler want *me* to apologise?!? Enough of being patient with stupid people, I don't have the time. Back to just shoving them on ignore.

The only "crap" opinions put forth have been from you. Stop lecturing others about being a zealot or spouting garbage as you are probably the President of both clubs. You kept shouting about "wait for the hearing" where the truth will come out. Well the hearing took place and Pakistan were cleared of tampering charges. So what was your response? You dismissed the whole thing as "politics" and then put forth your GENIUS theory of the switched balls. By the way, in your typical Scaly hypocrisy, you mention "pro-Pakistan zealots…clearing Inzi of any wrongdoing". So what have you been doing this whole time? Just lashing out with your hatred towards Pakistan and absolving Hair of any wrongdoing. I use to read your pathetic comments and at least get a chuckle on your absurdity. Now it's just getting old. Grow up…and fast.

 

[honestbharani]

And Hair could possibly be a Martian whose only purpose in life is to make bad umpiring judgments. Doesn't make the theory any less moronic.



The only "crap" opinions put forth have been from you. Stop lecturing others about being a zealot or spouting garbage as you are probably the President of both clubs. You kept shouting about "wait for the hearing" where the truth will come out. Well the hearing took place and Pakistan were cleared of tampering charges. So what was your response? You dismissed the whole thing as "politics" and then put forth your GENIUS theory of the switched balls. By the way, in your typical Scaly hypocrisy, you mention "pro-Pakistan zealots…clearing Inzi of any wrongdoing". So what have you been doing this whole time? Just lashing out with your hatred towards Pakistan and absolving Hair of any wrongdoing. I use to read your pathetic comments and at least get a chuckle on your absurdity. Now it's just getting old. Grow up…and fast.

he is NOT on your ignore list yet, Fusion? I believe he is on most others here at CW.

 

[Fusion]

he is NOT on your ignore list yet, Fusion? I believe he is on most others here at CW.

Yeah maybe I should.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

he is NOT on your ignore list yet, Fusion? I believe he is on most others here at CW.

What's the point in an ignore list? Surely a lot of the most entertaining posts are by people who post incoherent rants when they think they're being really profound.

For instance, if I was on anyone's ignore list they wouldn't have read that pearl of wisdom.