Borges
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There's nothing in it except for throwing the ball on the bounce to the keeper.
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Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"
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Senile Sentry
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Yep it’s a bit harder to think that Warner sold the idea to Smith and Bancroft so easily without any successful precedent than otherwise.
vic_orthdox
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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...r/news-story/cd9d281cfab269f49cc6203b3928a5cf
Crash after the board. If there was going to be someone ready to be briefed against Warner, it was Craddock.
Crash after the board. If there was going to be someone ready to be briefed against Warner, it was Craddock.
TheJediBrah
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It wasn't primarily about the tampering though, it was about the players' attitudes in general. Smith has always had a bit of a bad attitude like that, similar to Kohli.
Son Of Coco
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I hope Smith's is more interesting than his last one. It was horribly written.
Borges
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Kohli's behaviour is abominable, and I despise him for that.
However, I do think that he deserves more respect (than say some of the other Indian players) as far as integrity on the cricket field is concerned.
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Son Of Coco
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I know I'm a bit late on this, and it's almost certainly been mentioned at the time, but the crowd's behaviour as Smith left the airport was ****ing atrocious. I can only assume they laughed when they found out Hansie's plane had hit a mountain, and then heckled his family and yelled out 'cheat' at his funeral. I mean...we wouldn't want to be hypocrites after all.
social
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That's ball tampering, chronic sledger Virat to you
He's up there with Warner when it comes to being an objectionable character
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Daemon
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Sledging has got nothing to do with integrity. The ball tampering pictures certainly looked dodgy, I'll give you that. Hard to say though because he didn't ram his finger down his throat like Faf did.
So now the tears and the calls for sympathy and understanding...Well, I 'spose you might as well try that.
Can't say I have much sympathy though. If I were running a company and someone damaged its reputation as much as that, I'd sack him. (This is assuming I run the company much better than James Sutherland runs CA.) And it wouldn't be a 12-month sacking - it'd be forever of course.
I think it's really odd how these guys express themselves. Teary as Smith was, he said things like:
"Tonight I want to make clear as captain of the Australian Cricket Team, I take full responsibility." Sorry mate - you're no longer the captain.
"This is the first time I've seen this happen, and I can assure you it'll never be happening again." Ummm...you're no longer the captain - it's not up to you anymore.
"No, I don't blame anyone. As I said, I'm the captain of the Australian team." This is getting too weird.
And this from Bancroft:
"...the thing that breaks my heart the most is I've just given up my spot in the team to somebody else for free." So really what he's saying is that, in the end, it's all about "me".
In the long run, these guys just have to do what everybody does if they've been fired or laid off - Go find another job...It's not that hard. There's plenty of work out there.
Maybe Warner will have to sell his $6m home and downsize a bit - poor him. And if you're earning 6 mill a year like Warner and Smith...well, like I said, I can't say that I care much. 6 mill a year is more than the average person earns in two lifetimes of work. Good to keep that in perspective...1 person; 70 years of work; = $6m...all earned by Warner and Smith in one...single...year.
No - I can't say I feel sorry for them.
Remember back to that post-match press conference (god, how long ago was that?!) and Smith kept saying "I am regrettable" and "We are regrettable"? I guess I'd be thinking of sacking him because his English is so bad...but that's another story.
Can't say I have much sympathy though. If I were running a company and someone damaged its reputation as much as that, I'd sack him. (This is assuming I run the company much better than James Sutherland runs CA.) And it wouldn't be a 12-month sacking - it'd be forever of course.
I think it's really odd how these guys express themselves. Teary as Smith was, he said things like:
"Tonight I want to make clear as captain of the Australian Cricket Team, I take full responsibility." Sorry mate - you're no longer the captain.
"This is the first time I've seen this happen, and I can assure you it'll never be happening again." Ummm...you're no longer the captain - it's not up to you anymore.
"No, I don't blame anyone. As I said, I'm the captain of the Australian team." This is getting too weird.
And this from Bancroft:
"...the thing that breaks my heart the most is I've just given up my spot in the team to somebody else for free." So really what he's saying is that, in the end, it's all about "me".
In the long run, these guys just have to do what everybody does if they've been fired or laid off - Go find another job...It's not that hard. There's plenty of work out there.
Maybe Warner will have to sell his $6m home and downsize a bit - poor him. And if you're earning 6 mill a year like Warner and Smith...well, like I said, I can't say that I care much. 6 mill a year is more than the average person earns in two lifetimes of work. Good to keep that in perspective...1 person; 70 years of work; = $6m...all earned by Warner and Smith in one...single...year.
No - I can't say I feel sorry for them.
Remember back to that post-match press conference (god, how long ago was that?!) and Smith kept saying "I am regrettable" and "We are regrettable"? I guess I'd be thinking of sacking him because his English is so bad...but that's another story.
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howardj
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I hope Warner appeals - as he is entitled to do - and has a full hearing
I think it is better than CA's two-day investigation, where the public was only told certain things
I also think his punishment is manifestly excessive, and opens the game up to the non-cricketing media/non-cricketing public again getting hold of an issue that it really has little clue about, and milking it for all it's worth
I think it is better than CA's two-day investigation, where the public was only told certain things
I also think his punishment is manifestly excessive, and opens the game up to the non-cricketing media/non-cricketing public again getting hold of an issue that it really has little clue about, and milking it for all it's worth
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Geez that's ****ing bad. What a dumb thing to say. Basically saying his spot in the team is more important than the integrity of Australian cricket or, like, not cheating.
Borges
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C'mon, cut him some slack.
Here's a young man, his dream in tatters, saying that that breaks his heart.
What did you want him to say? Come up with some Tendulkar-like platitude about 'what is happening to me is irrelevant and immaterial: forget me, it is all about the team blah. blah.'
At least this is a very human reaction; it has the unmistakable ring of sincerity about it.
NZTailender
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If anything positive comes out of this I hope it's that, one day, we'll come up with more inventive names for scandals rather than tacking 'gate' onto the end of a bunch of words.
Gnske
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Yet another reason to be glad Nixon is dead
Yes - both those things, certainly. All too human and the "the unmistakable ring of sincerity" side certainly does ring true - it's the self-absorbed side of sincerity. The sort you might get from a 15 year old? It takes most people a long time to grow up - Bancroft...still a long way to go. Warner and Smith - a little bit older...but also still a long way to go. It's just where they're at. Others - even at their age - would have handled all this so much better. Basically, they just ended up being the wrong guys for the job. So be it. Now, time for them to eat their lumps.