Bad eggs

[Swervy]

1. Imagine an Asian player saying 'I will slit your thorat' and get away with it.

2. Imagine an Asian player saying white C**t to a white player and get away with it.

3. Imagine an Asian player saying to another Non-Asian player 'You little piece of ****' and get away with it.

4. Imagine an Asian player abusing the umpire and get away with it.

Ever wonder why these Aussie chickens never sledged to players like Richards/Ambrose and always target weak players like Sarwan etc.

2. ASri Lankan player did call an England player a 'white something or other'....confusion did occur though when the English player who got 'abused' was actually Craig White...hehehe
3. I am sure a lot worse has been said by Asian teams to non Asian teams(in which ever language they choose), and indeed a lot worse said by non Asian team to Asian teams...I do get th impression that on the whole each team is probably as bad as each other

4. Imagine an Asian umpire abusing a non-asian player..it happened, see Rana vs Gatting..and nothing happened about Rana.

On the last point...sledging is a way of targeting those of fragile mind on the pitch...what use is it to sledge Richards/Ambrose (been there, done that brigade..although I am sure Richards got a bit of stick and I know for a fact he gave it as well)....the obvious target is the newcomer, or at least the younger players...its happened throughout the history of the game...test cricket is a tough game

 

[Sehwag309]

Scally, is it possible to give details of those offences

 

[biased indian]

3. I am sure a lot worse has been said by Asian teams to non Asian teams(in which ever language they choose), and indeed a lot worse said by non Asian team to Asian teams...I do get th impression that on the whole each team is probably as bad as each other

On the last point...sledging is a way of targeting those of fragile mind on the pitch...what use is it to sledge Richards/Ambrose (been there, done that brigade..although I am sure Richards got a bit of stick and I know for a fact he gave it as well)....the obvious target is the newcomer, or at least the younger players...its happened throughout the history of the game...test cricket is a tough game

but how will they benift by using some language that the person in the other team wont understand

 

[C_C]

Utter rubbish - just look at who controls the ICC.

Australia.
M&M are aussies.


As for comparing the rapsheet, all i can say is that is laughably stupid.
That gives an automatic assumption that the law is infallible and the enforcers are always correct. History is proof of anything but that.

Notice that Vaughan got fined only for his repeat offence in slow overrates while Ganguly got a 6 match ban for repeat offence....same violation different ruling. Consistency ?

As per comparing rapsheets....like i said... i suppose it is a clear-cut indication, isnt it ?

In the 1920s for eg, the vast number of prisoners were negroes because while they were prosecuted for crimes against anyone, the caucasians werent prosecuted for crimes against the negroes......
Oh yes...i am sure that a simple rapsheet comparison is a really accurate portrayal.

 

[Swervy]

but how will they benift by using some language that the person in the other team wont understand

hey..I dont speak anything but English, but when I play vs an Asian team here in Bradford, I know which comments are directed at me in Urdu or whatever ('shabash' isnt usually a term directed at me by the opposition...hehehehe) and have a general idea of what they mean...but its all part of the game as far as i am concerned....

 

[biased indian]

hey..I dont speak anything but English, but when I play vs an Asian team here in Bradford, I know which comments are directed at me in Urdu or whatever ('shabash' isnt usually a term directed at me by the opposition...hehehehe) and have a general idea of what they mean...but its all part of the game as far as i am concerned....

but still u dont understand it do you ??? my be one or two urdu words but there are some 20 other languages in subcontinent

 

[Sanz]

2. ASri Lankan player did call an England player a 'white something or other'....confusion did occur though when the English player who got 'abused' was actually Craig White...hehehe
3. I am sure a lot worse has been said by Asian teams to non Asian teams(in which ever language they choose), and indeed a lot worse said by non Asian team to Asian teams...I do get th impression that on the whole each team is probably as bad as each other

4. Imagine an Asian umpire abusing a non-asian player..it happened, see Rana vs Gatting..and nothing happened about Rana.

On the last point...sledging is a way of targeting those of fragile mind on the pitch...what use is it to sledge Richards/Ambrose (been there, done that brigade..although I am sure Richards got a bit of stick and I know for a fact he gave it as well)....the obvious target is the newcomer, or at least the younger players...its happened throughout the history of the game...test cricket is a tough game

Duh , I guess you are talking about the Parera and White incident. I just wonder where you learnt that Parera had racially abused White..I have not read it anywhere.

it is your assumption that Asian teams say worse things in their own language. Please back it up. I dont remember Ganguly, Dravid, Srinath, Kumble, Sachin, Laxman, Sehwag, abusing any fellow players.

Good that you bring up Shakoor Rana and Gatting incident, Just the fact you had to go 20 years back (that too by an umpire) to cite and example proves my point.

Richards/Ambrose never abused anyone's race or wife to get advantage, they would rather have lost the game. what they did was friendly banter. Dont justify the stupid acts by citing history. Just because some X did that 200 years ago doesn't mean that he was right. Ganguly, Cullian,Sarwan etc are no new comers, they do it because these guys either dont retaliate or dont have enough talent to retaliate with their skills. Chickens like Mcgrath don't have guts to sledge the likes of Akhtar, Lara or Tendulkar.

 

[Swervy]

but still u dont understand it do you ??? my be one or two urdu words but there are some 20 other languages in subcontinent

one doesnt really need to understand a language to understand its meaning...most communication is through body language, hand gestures, eye movement, facial movement etc (the well worn figure for this is 55%..if my Train the Trainer courses I used to go on are correct)....almost 40% is through the tone of voice..the rest is actually through what we say....

So I dont need to know what is being said, to understand the gist of it...

 

[Sanz]

one doesnt really need to understand a language to understand its meaning...most communication is through body language, hand gestures, eye movement, facial movement etc (the well worn figure for this is 55%..if my Train the Trainer courses I used to go on are correct)....almost 40% is through the tone of voice..the rest is actually through what we say....

So I dont need to know what is being said, to understand the gist of it...

So are you saying that Asian players sledge with their body language ? I mean how would you abuse someone racially by moving your eye balls, or facial expression. And I dont understand the statement, 'One doesn't understand the language to understand the meaning..' What kind of ridiculous satement is that ? You must have got some super powers if you really experience that in real life.

I still stand by statement that I have never seen Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Kumble, Srinath etc sledge even in their own language. the very fact that most of them speak different languages (Sachin - Marathi, Gangs - Bangla, Dravid,Kumble, Srinath - Kannada and so on). among Asian players Afridi is the one who consistently swears but other than I have not seen many other players doing that.

 

[Swervy]

Duh , I guess you are talking about the Parera and White incident. I just wonder where you learnt that Parera had racially abused White..I have not read it anywhere.

it is your assumption that Asian teams say worse things in their own language. Please back it up. I dont remember Ganguly, Dravid, Srinath, Kumble, Sachin, Laxman, Sehwag, abusing any fellow players.

Good that you bring up Shakoor Rana and Gatting incident, Just the fact you had to go 20 years back (that too by an umpire) to cite and example proves my point.

Richards/Ambrose never abused anyone's race or wife to get advantage, they would rather have lost the game. what they did was friendly banter. Dont justify the stupid acts by citing history. Just because some X did that 200 years ago doesn't mean that he was right. Ganguly, Cullian,Sarwan etc are no new comers, they do it because these guys either dont retaliate or dont have enough talent to retaliate with their skills. Chickens like Mcgrath don't have guts to sledge the likes of Akhtar, Lara or Tendulkar.

well I actually the somewhat light hearted nature of my post came through there...obviously not.

The Perera incident..I cant remember where i read that..(Wisden???)...it was quite well documented at teh time..and was put down to the Sri lankans lack of prowess with the English language...I think he called Craig White 'white b******d'..in the same way he may well have called Ponting 'Ponting b*******d'

I am not saying the Indians are worse than anyone else, i am saying they a probably just as bad, and then it might only be one or two players..pretty much the same for most teams...it happens..get over it

The Rana thing..again, I was trying to be a bit light hearted over a matter I can tell will get heated pretty soon I think...but please dont make out that teams from the subcontinent are bleedin saints all the time, coz they more than likely arent

Regarding Richards/Ambrose never making racist comments..well to be honest,the only player I can think of who have ever been found guilty of that was Darren 'A Moment of Madness' Lehmann (and no the 'moment of madness' bit isnt trying to justify what he said)...please dont lump all Australians together...or for that matter all non-Asian or West Indian teams....

Sledging in one form or another has been around ages..we dont know what Richards(who was no saint by the way) might have said to Lillee one day, we dont know what Akhtar may have mumbled to a team mate one day about Chris Cairns (these are random people..please dont get on any high horses about who I have chosen)....what is said on the field should stay on the field unless is a racial comment..and judging by the lack of complaints other than the Lehmann case (which actually wasnt even on the field of play), I think that is where it is staying, which i hope suggests racial comments arent really that common

 

[Swervy]

So are you saying that Asian players sledge with their body language ? I mean how would you abuse someone racially by moving your eye balls, or facial expression. And I dont understand the statement, 'One doesn't understand the language to understand the meaning..' What kind of ridiculous satement is that ? You must have got some super powers if you really experience that in real life.

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If I stand 20 yards away from you, with my hands moving in an aggressive manner,with a frowning face,and eyes staring intently at you...with me speaking Icelandic in an aggressive manner..I think you would realise I was quite possibly about to lamp you, despite you not understanding a word I say...

If I was talking some long lost Aboriginal dialect with a few of my mates, staring at you,and having a good laugh whilst pointing at you...I think you would know that we were having a laugh at your expense...

The point is, what you say basically means very little..how you say it and how you express yourself whilst saying it means a lot more..hence people dont generally need to know what is being said to actually pick up on the vibe of the talk from the other people

hey and I never said I was being racially abused..maybe sometimes I have been, and most of the times I havent..to be honest out on the fieeld I understand that its a way of trying to get me to buckle...those tactics wont work with me, so I dont really care what they say....off the field is a different matter for me though

 

[Mecnun]

Can anyone shed some light on how rana abused Mike?

 

[Anil]

and judging by the lack of complaints other than the Lehmann case (which actually wasnt even on the field of play)

why the additional comment in brackets...it was inside the stadium, wasn't it? sorry if i misinterpreted, but you seemed to imply that it is a lesser offence if he didn't shout it from within the boundaries of the field...

 

[Swervy]

why the additional comment in brackets...it was inside the stadium, wasn't it? sorry if i misinterpreted, but you seemed to imply that it is a lesser offence if he didn't shout it from within the boundaries of the field...

because we seem to be talking about racial comments as a part of the sledging process..Lehmann wasnt sledging..that was the point of the brackets

 

[C_C]

Can't reveal my sources but i will say this much:I know for a fact that Lehmann's moment of indescrition was NOT the first or the only time an aussie player has engaged in racial abuse on field.

Also some informative stuff: Australian and Saffie players are the most racially abusive on field. The subcontinental players are the most personally abusive on field ( motherhumper and any other humper sort if you know what i mean) and the most unabusive team on field (though it is fast changing with Gayle and Hinds in the team) is the west indies. The english and the kiwis are usually the 'witty remarks with cussing' thrown in type sledgers...

That is the view of some international players i've come in contact with ( and no-they dont hail from the same region).

 

[social]

I have played cricket all over the world and by far the worst offenders when it comes to racial sledging are Pakistanis, Sri Lankans and the world champions, West Indians.

Unfortunately, most white cricketers (if they even take offence, which virtually no-one does)are of the view that they would be laughed out of the room if they make a complaint on racial grounds. As such, it tends to go unnoticed.

As for people who say that Glenn MacGrath should be sanctioned for his reactions to umpires decisions when he is batting, GET A LIFE!

How many of you know what he is saying and to whom he is saying it?

And, in any event, why does anyone care? His batting ability, or lack thereof, is a standing joke and if he was to dispute an umpire's decision, he gets laughed at anyway.

 

[C_C]

i cant vouch for the lankans but the paks are NOT the racial sledger types....
they are the 'motherhumper sister humper goat humper slut pu$$y, ***-wipe' kinda sledgers and so are the indians.

 

[social]

So are you saying that Asian players sledge with their body language ? I mean how would you abuse someone racially by moving your eye balls, or facial expression. And I dont understand the statement, 'One doesn't understand the language to understand the meaning..' What kind of ridiculous satement is that ? You must have got some super powers if you really experience that in real life.

I still stand by statement that I have never seen Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Kumble, Srinath etc sledge even in their own language. the very fact that most of them speak different languages (Sachin - Marathi, Gangs - Bangla, Dravid,Kumble, Srinath - Kannada and so on). among Asian players Afridi is the one who consistently swears but other than I have not seen many other players doing that.

Dont be naive.

Virtually every player engages in sledging at some time.

 

[Sanz]

Dont be naive.

Virtually every player engages in sledging at some time.

And you say that because you have seen virtually every player ever played in the game. Haven't you ?

Please show us an example where an Indian player racially abused anyone.

 

[Neil Pickup]

And you say that because you have seen virtually every player ever played in the game. Haven't you ?

Please show us an example where an Indian player racially abused anyone.

Where did "sledging" become "racially abuse"?!