Australian Off Season 2017

[Dan]

I'm just old fashioned and think that you should be able to generate income before you draw a wage. And I couldn't really care less about elite women's cricket. I dont watch it and doubt I ever will.

This implies that elite level sport is a traditional business, which it very much is not.

 

[Burgey]

It still is kinda pathetic for a side to go 14 years without hosting a team that's been playing Tests consistently in the interim.

Apparently we're supposed to host them next year. Whether it actually happens though is another question altogether.....

That'll be a ****ing thrill a minute tour. Please tell me it's in Darwin in July.

 

[Burgey]

That's grassroots though. Im referring to the issue of high junior levels where talent has to make a decision between the two

If you were close to being equally proficient at a footy code and cricket as an elite junior, you'd have to be sorely tempted to go with footy. 16 elite teams in both AFL and league with bigger money on offer for your average (not used disparagingly) first team player. The funnel to get to the top in cricket is insanely narrow compared with other sports.

 

[NUFAN]

Wonder what new career paths the guys would take? Davey Warner has writing to fall back on to but the others i'm not sure.

Chadd Sayers has been offered $10 to mow his brothers lawn.
Peter Siddle has set up a dog walking business that go around to vegan cafes
David Warner can now Bungie Jump
Glenn Maxwell is aiming to make it big in Golf

 

[Burgey]

Unemployed David Warner makes ends meet by walking Ricky Ponting's greyhounds ? The Betoota Advocate

 

[social]

If you were close to being equally proficient at a footy code and cricket as an elite junior, you'd have to be sorely tempted to go with footy. 16 elite teams in both AFL and league with bigger money on offer for your average (not used disparagingly) first team player. The funnel to get to the top in cricket is insanely narrow compared with other sports.

Most sports seem to rely upon pathway bs these days with notable exception of golf

Major difference between footy and cricket being that footy codes provide tangible returns much earlier

 

[Spark]

Women's cricketers deserve the revenue when they can raise the revenue. And not before it.

What a grim view of the world this is.

 

[GotSpin]

Unemployed David Warner makes ends meet by walking Ricky Ponting's greyhounds ? The Betoota Advocate

The betoota has been so good in the last year

 

[quincywagstaff]

From The Age:

A decision to scrap the tour of Bangladesh over pay would be a monumental call but players aren't overly keen to go because of safety issues.

..."There is no way CA would want to upset the BCCI. That would be a disaster," one agent said on Saturday.
"This Indian series is the big one. Players and CA could live without the A tour and Bangladesh."

Could they be possibly more disrespectful of Bangladesh cricket? Hard to imagine so.

Actually, this arrogance towards Bangladesh I think is reflected in the arrogance of both sides in leading Australian cricket into this major mess. They seem to think world cricket revolves around them and that only series against 'big' nations matter and supposedly minor nations like Bangladesh are largely irrelevant. It just makes me think that as destructive this dispute it will be, it may have one benefit in the long run of knocking the smugness and arrogance out of the sport.

 

[Gnske]

What a grim view of the world this is.

Even grimmer, playing on boundaries so small that you'll never shatter the Lord's pavilion glass ceilings.

 

[burr]

Women's cricketers deserve the revenue when they can raise the revenue. And not before it.

What a narrow-minded point of view. But based on some of your comments re the Chris Gayle-Mel McLaughlin issue I'm not surprised. Yes, I do remember; and, yes, I am a woman.

On another point, some of the players responses on their Instagrams re this pay dispute are quite amusing. Usman K. and Mitch S. good examples.
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[TheJediBrah]

From The Age:



Could they be possibly more disrespectful of Bangladesh cricket? Hard to imagine so.

Actually, this arrogance towards Bangladesh I think is reflected in the arrogance of both sides in leading Australian cricket into this major mess. They seem to think world cricket revolves around them and that only series against 'big' nations matter and supposedly minor nations like Bangladesh are largely irrelevant. It just makes me think that as destructive this dispute it will be, it may have one benefit in the long run of knocking the smugness and arrogance out of the sport.

lol wut

it's "arrogant" to not want to work for free? "Arrogant" to not want to go to a country where your life will be put in danger?

This isn't some conspiracy concocted by Australian cricket to avoid touring Bangladesh. None of this has anything to do with Bangladesh.

 

[social]

From The Age:



Could they be possibly more disrespectful of Bangladesh cricket? Hard to imagine so.

Actually, this arrogance towards Bangladesh I think is reflected in the arrogance of both sides in leading Australian cricket into this major mess. They seem to think world cricket revolves around them and that only series against 'big' nations matter and supposedly minor nations like Bangladesh are largely irrelevant. It just makes me think that as destructive this dispute it will be, it may have one benefit in the long run of knocking the smugness and arrogance out of the sport.

If you've seen Bangladesh play test cricket, you'd know that matches against them are basically a waste of time.

They either dodgy up a pitch to be competitive at home or fall in a screaming heap by repeating the same mistakes that they have been making for years

I'd have more sympathy for them if they ever learned from their mistakes but they haven't to date

 

[Starfighter]

It's the Age, not sure why you're bothering.

 

[Midwinter]

Women's cricket, along with the AFLW, are interesting experiments in a "Top Down model" of attempting to create a successful professional competition, If you like, a " if we build it, they will come" approach.

All the professional sport we have today has developed form the grass roots in creating spectator interest, leading to advertising revenue and then payment for the broadcast rights.

This is being reversed in the model for the women's game, giving away income producing rights in order to build grass roots support.

Interesting to see if it will work.

 

[Burgey]

It's drawing an extremely long bow to suggest this dispute reaching a head has anything at all to do with the Bangladesh tour.

 

[mr_mister]

Cricket players have a dream job. So lucky being able to make a living doing this thing they love.


I say stop whining and accept being rich instead of super rich. Always the Ipl in the off-season for that

 

[stephen]

The pay dispute isn't about the super rich ones. It's about the guy who gets picked for the shield and plays 8 games in his career. He's worked all his life for a shot and he's good but not great. Cricket needs those guys to be strong because iron sharpens iron.

If all the guys who are moderately talented athletes go to AFL then the top players don't get as good as they otherwise would. By the time they hit the international game they've not developed as well and Australia loses and the sport isn't as popular and money goes out of the game into other sports.

It's about aligning the interests of players with the interests of the sport and ensuring that as a while the competition is as strong as it can possibly be.

 

[Red]

What a grim view of the world this is.

Honestly, why is it grim? I'm all for gender equality, totally. But surely you need to be able to generate some revenue before you start wanting to draw a wage? If people are watching women's cricket, either thru the turnstiles or on TV and money is being generated thru advertising, then by all means women cricketer's can negotiate better pay.

I'm no economist but it's not complicated. You should generate revenue before you start asking for pay rises. WSC and the whole Packer thing happened because the players realised how big cricket had become because of them, how much money it was making, and how little they were getting.

If no one was turning up to men's cricket or watching it on TV, would we expect the men to be able to draw a wage?

What a narrow-minded point of view. But based on some of your comments re the Chris Gayle-Mel McLaughlin issue I'm not surprised. Yes, I do remember; and, yes, I am a woman.
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What comments specifically? Don't try and paint me as something I'm not.

 

[social]

Put yourself in the players' position for a moment

Their share has been calculated in the same way for 20 years and there has rarely been a murmur of discontent from either side

All of a sudden, CA claims that the model is unsustainable and when asked to prove it, they refuse

To put it into figures, there are apparently roughly 300 pros in the country (seems a lot but that's what is being said)

The ACA estimates that CA's offer will see the players forego roughly $90 million over the next 5 years (and that's based on the latter's gross revenue estimates which are treated with some skepticism)

That's $300k per player or 60k p.a.

If someone wanted me to take a 60k p.a. haircut, I'd want a better response than "just because"