Aussies maybe not as far ahead as everyone thinks

[Pratters]

Yep and the icc knockout in 2000. NZ have beaten aussie in aussie four out of the last six. I would suggest that once they deal to the Lankans and beat them 5 zip and then have another close series with auz in the return series ther will be no doubt that they are the second best side in ODI's and pushing for top spot and no one will be able to deny it.

Or if they come short and then lose another average tri nation one day tournament like they have done for the past 15 years (looking good but never reaching the pinnacle), they will remain also rans..

 

[Richard Rash]

Or if they come short and then lose another average tri nation one day tournament like they have done for the past 15 years (looking good but never reaching the pinnacle), they will remain also rans..

They constantly punch above their weight. They really have no right to win anything with their small population base compared to well pretty much everyone in international cricket.

Can you define for me what an average tri nation one day tournament is?

They are the top one day team for this year in terms of percentage of wins.. even higher than Aussie so are you telling me to disregard this information and say if a team like Zimbabwe who never beat anyone suddenly have an awesome run and win a tri series you would rank them as above these so called also rans when they would probably still go into matches as the underdogs when playing any other nation

 

[Smudge]

one tournament win means nothing..

Does three mean anything then?

 

[Pratters]

Does three mean anything then?

Can you show me a period of time where the Kiwis can be regarded as the best one day side in the world for a length?

They have always been second to South Africa or Australia post 96..

 

[Smudge]

Show me a period of time where the Kiwis can be regarded as the best one day side in the world for a length.

They have always been second to South Africa or Australia post 96..

I'll wait until you answer my question.

 

[Richard Rash]

You have dug yourself deep here Pratyush... i would appreciate if you are going to try argue the toss with me if you could answer my question

 

[Buddhmaster]

I'll wait until you answer my question.

He did because he said that they've always been second, so obviously 3 doesn't matter.

 

[Pratters]

You have dug yourself deep here Pratyush... i would appreciate if you are going to try argue the toss with me if you could answer my question

He said they did well in the VB Series. I said one tournament win means nothing to show a tournament win here and there with lack of consistency doesnt mean a lot as you dont end up being champions.

Winning three tournaments or one doesnt mean much if you are inconsistent enough to be nearly there but never at the top. Thats the case with the kiwis which is why they have been also rans..

Now I would appreciate if you could answer my question?

 

[Smudge]

No he didn't - I asked him whether three mattered. He chose to answer a question with a question.

 

[Pratters]

No he didn't - I asked him whether three mattered. He chose to answer a question with a question.

I thought you would take into consideration the earlier arguement of he kiwis being also rans and never really being up there..

 

[marc71178]

india?

What, the side that hasn't won outside the sub-continent in nearly 20 years or something stupid like that?

 

[marc71178]

the first 2 ODI's of the series between aus and NZ have shown how the australian bowling attack depends on Mcgrath and Gillespie. Once these two retire I don't think they will be able to hold on to the #1 spot in the ODI rankings.

Shame that Gillespie's got a lot of gas left in the tank then isn't it.

 

[Richard Rash]

He said they did well in the VB Series. I said one tournament win means nothing to show a tournament win here and there with lack of consistency doesnt mean a lot as you dont end up being champions.

Winning three tournaments or one doesnt mean much if you are inconsistent enough to be nearly there but never at the top. Thats the case with the kiwis which is why they have been also rans..

Now I would appreciate if you could answer my question?

There is no question other than the last line which my answer will be yes i could if you asked me one

 

[marc71178]

Yep and the icc knockout in 2000. NZ have beaten aussie in aussie four out of the last six.

Relying on past glories...

 

[Smudge]

I thought you would take into consideration the earlier arguement of he kiwis being also rans and never really being up there..

Don't assume anything.

To be honest, I think we will never reach number one and never have been.

As Richard Rash said, we have no right, with our player base.

Someone referred to 1992 - that team had that great streak thanks to living at home, a couple of clever tactical decisions (Greatbatch moved up to open) and Martin Crowe at the peak of his powers). However, despite the big total Pakistan had to chase, bear in mind they had beaten NZ in the last game of the round-robin - in fact, they had humbled NZ, rolling them for 160-odd. It was gutting, but no surprise that a team with players like Imran Khan, a young Inzy, Wasim Akram, Miandad and Raja ended up winning.

 

[Richard Rash]

Relying on past glories...

Beating Aussie doesnt come around that often for us kiwis in any sport let alone cricket so i never live that one down marc

 

[wpdavid]

Don't assume anything.

To be honest, I think we will never reach number one and never have been.

As Richard Rash said, we have no right, with our player base.

Someone referred to 1992 - that team had that great streak thanks to living at home, a couple of clever tactical decisions (Greatbatch moved up to open) and Martin Crowe at the peak of his powers). However, despite the big total Pakistan had to chase, bear in mind they had beaten NZ in the last game of the round-robin - in fact, they had humbled NZ, rolling them for 160-odd. It was gutting, but no surprise that a team with players like Imran Khan, a young Inzy, Wasim Akram, Miandad and Raja ended up winning.

Not half as gutting as losing to them in the final when only the rain had kept them in the competition after the group phase. Still hurts ....

 

[Deja moo]

Not half as gutting as losing to them in the final when only the rain had kept them in the competition after the group phase. Still hurts ....

Semi final

 

[Richard Rash]

Semi final

Wrong deja moo. Pakistan were on the brink of losing to England in the group stage they got bowled out for 80 or something and a victory seemed certain for England until the rain came and the match was abandaned and the points were shared. That point snuck Pakistan through the group stage and the rest as they say is history

 

[Deja moo]

Wrong deja moo. Pakistan were on the brink of losing to England in the group stage they got bowled out for 80 or something and a victory seemed certain for England until the rain came and the match was abandaned and the points were shared. That point snuck Pakistan through the group stage and the rest as they say is history

What was wrong in my saying that NZ lost to Pakistan in the Semi final and not the final ?