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Ashwin vs Kumble

kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
sayon basak said:
There are obviously logical reasons, just maybe beyond someone's understanding.
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Very logical reasons.

At the end of the war in 1948, the greatest bowler of all time was rated to be William O'Reilly.

If he or what he did doesn't count, especially in such a batsman friendly era. Then why should the rest of them?

And we certainly can't exclude Bradman, Hammond, Hutton can we?
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
kyear2 said:
Very logical reasons.

At the end of the war in 1948, the greatest bowler of all time was rated to be William O'Reilly.

If he or what he did doesn't count, especially in such a batsman friendly era. Then why should the rest of them?

And we certainly can't exclude Bradman, Hammond, Hutton can we?
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I thought the end of the war was in 1945? And was he really? I thought it was Barnes.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Coronis said:
I thought the end of the war was in 1945? And was he really? I thought it was Barnes.
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Ok, everything got back into full swing by '48, test wise at least.

Well it was a two-person conversation, and I don't include the other, so....
 
Fanboy375

Fanboy375

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
subshakerz said:
So Ashwin didn't play the stronger NZ lineup much and still sucks more than Kumble
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but Ashwin and Kumble had different results against SA,Aus and Eng.Ashwin is home>away while Kumble away>home.so it could mean decause of different bowling style they perform differently in pace vs spin conditions.It is like Warne vs Murali case where one is good at pace friendly condition while another is not
 
DrWolverine

DrWolverine

First Class Debutant
Ashwin
in WI : 19(6 Tests)
in SL : 21(6 Tests)
in Bang : 28(3 Tests)
in Eng : 28(7 Tests)
in NZ : 33(1 Test)
in Aus : 42(11 Tests)
in SA : 49(7 Tests)

Ash has a decent overseas record except in Aus & SA

Kumble averages 30+ in every country except India and Bang/Zim.
In Ban : 16(4 Tests)
In Zim : 29(4 Tests)
In WI : 31(11 Tests)
In SA : 32(12 Tests)
In Aus : 37(10 Tests)
In NZ : 40(3 Tests)
In Eng : 41(10 Tests)
In Pak : 42(6 Tests)
In SL : 45(10 Tests)
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Regular
DrWolverine said:
Ashwin
in WI : 19(6 Tests)
in SL : 21(6 Tests)
in Bang : 28(3 Tests)
in Eng : 28(7 Tests)
in NZ : 33(1 Test)
in Aus : 42(11 Tests)
in SA : 49(7 Tests)

Ash has a decent overseas record except in Aus & SA
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WI, SL and BD don't matter at all. Averaging 45+ in 18 matches in SA and AUS is too big of a hole to overlook.
And It's not looking like he could rectify it either.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Fanboy375 said:
but Ashwin and Kumble had different results against SA,Aus and Eng.Ashwin is home>away while Kumble away>home.so it could mean decause of different bowling style they perform differently in pace vs spin conditions.It is like Warne vs Murali case where one is good at pace friendly condition while another is not
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Kumble at home had to deal with flat pitches in the 2000s.

If you look at his 90s record when pitches were better it is comparable to Ashwin and that too without DRS.

Kumble away overall is just better.

Kumble is just better.
 
Johan

Johan

International Debutant
DrWolverine said:
Ashwin
in WI : 19(6 Tests)
in SL : 21(6 Tests)
in Bang : 28(3 Tests)
in Eng : 28(7 Tests)
in NZ : 33(1 Test)
in Aus : 42(11 Tests)
in SA : 49(7 Tests)

Ash has a decent overseas record except in Aus & SA

Kumble averages 30+ in every country except India and Bang/Zim.
In Ban : 16(4 Tests)
In Zim : 29(4 Tests)
In WI : 31(11 Tests)
In SA : 32(12 Tests)
In Aus : 37(10 Tests)
In NZ : 40(3 Tests)
In Eng : 41(10 Tests)
In Pak : 42(6 Tests)
In SL : 45(10 Tests)
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Not putting a horse in the race here but I won't really take Ashwin's England average seriously, he was a complete defense bowler here, it was just the WTC final in extreme bowler friendly conditions, both times he came over here to play as a spinner against England he was basically a defensive stock bowler with no impact.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
Not putting a horse in the race here but I won't really take Ashwin's England average seriously, he was a complete defense bowler here, it was just the WTC final in extreme bowler friendly conditions, both times he came over here to play as a spinner against England he was basically a defensive stock bowler with no impact.
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I've been saying the same thing yet get so much flak. Ashwin in England was a total support bowler.

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