Ashes XI

[FaaipDeOiad]

You only have 10 players in your test side, and Flintoff is there as a front line bowler.

 

[Zinzan]

You only have 10 players in your test side, and Flintoff is there as a front line bowler.

Right u are....I'll play both Gillespie and Harmison....if Harmison was out of form I'd drop him for Kaspa

 

[marc71178]

You only have 10 players in your test side, and Flintoff is there as a front line bowler.

What would be wrong with that?

He is a front line bowler.

 

[SJS]

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Martyn
Katich
Clarke
Gilchrist
Warne
Gillespie
MacGrath
Kasprowic

Standbyes
- Brett Lee
- Stuart MacGill

 

[Zinzan]

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Martyn
Katich
Clarke
Gilchrist
Warne
Gillespie
MacGrath
Kasprowic

Standbyes
- Brett Lee
- Stuart MacGill

All joking aside ....you would have Flintoff in the side SJS?

 

[vic_orthdox]

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Martyn
Katich
Clarke
Gilchrist
Warne
Gillespie
MacGrath
Kasprowic

Standbyes
- Brett Lee
- Stuart MacGill

damn. i was counting on scallywag to post that line up.

 

[SJS]

All joking aside ....you would have Flintoff in the side SJS?

Seriously, I would put Andrew Strauss (and Hoggard in an English summer) before Flintoff

 

[Zinzan]

damn. i was counting on scallywag to post that line up.

He still may

 

[Zinzan]

Seriously, I would put Andrew Strauss (and Hoggard in an English summer) before Flintoff

It interesting that people do seem to rate Hoggard so highly. Personally I found right throughout the NZ V Eng 3 test series last year that he always seem the least effective of the english bowlers, perhaps the conditions in that particular series weren't condusive to swing because I have seen that he had a very good tour of S. Africa. But last year against NZ , Hammison, Flintoff, Jones and even Giles all appeared more of a danger than Hoggard.

I've obviously never seen the best of him.

 

[superkingdave]

Seriously, I would put Andrew Strauss (and Hoggard in an English summer) before Flintoff

Trouble is an English Summer (this Ashes season almost impinges(sp) on Autumn) is not so much like the summer of old, at least it wasn't last year and i can't see it being this year. With no test at Headingly and the first test starting late July, Old Trafford likely to spin i can't see that Hoggard will be much more that a support bowler this year. Not to say that he won't be effective at that, he's certainly better than he was a couple of years ago when the ball isn't moving but I hope he proves me wrong and takes a bucketful.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

What would be wrong with that?

He is a front line bowler.

He is not picked as such, in terms of being among the four main bowlers in the side. He is picked as an all-rounder.

Anyway, beside the point. I was assuming that like everyone else in the thread zinzan was picking Flintoff as an all-rounder at number 7, and had hence forgotten to put in a bowler. Turns out I was right.

 

[SJS]

Trouble is an English Summer (this Ashes season almost impinges(sp) on Autumn) is not so much like the summer of old, at least it wasn't last year and i can't see it being this year. With no test at Headingly and the first test starting late July, Old Trafford likely to spin i can't see that Hoggard will be much more that a support bowler this year. Not to say that he won't be effective at that, he's certainly better than he was a couple of years ago when the ball isn't moving but I hope he proves me wrong and takes a bucketful.

I dont know whether they will fill a bucket but I think he will be one of Englands main bowlers in this Ashes series. The Aussies are not great players of the swinging delivery. They will find Hoggard more difficult than Flintoff or Harmison.

 

[mavric41]

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Martyn
Katich
Flintoff
Gilchrist
Warne
Gillespie
Kasprowicz
MacGrath


12th - Clarke - he'll make a good sub fielder and drinks mixer.

If Watson was picked, he would be there ahead of Flintoff.

 

[SJS]

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Martyn
Katich
Flintoff
Gilchrist
Warne
Gillespie
Kasprowicz
MacGrath


12th - Clarke - he'll make a good sub fielder and drinks mixer.

If Watson was picked, he would be there ahead of Flintoff.

So whats the difference between Zimbabwe and England ?

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

Langer
Strauss
Ponting*
Martyn
Thorpe
Flintoff
Gilchrist+
Warne
Gillespie
Hoggard
McGrath

12th - Kasprowicz

 

[mavric41]

So whats the difference between Zimbabwe and England ?

The climate

 

[Zinzan]

So whats the difference between Zimbabwe and England ?

The Zimbabwe women are better looking

 

[Prince EWS]

He is not picked as such, in terms of being among the four main bowlers in the side.

He is one of the four main bowlers. He nearly always bowls more overs than Jones/Anderson.

 

[Prince EWS]

So whats the difference between Zimbabwe and England ?

Judging by Mavric's side, only Flintoff....

 

[Scallywag]

Yeah. There's a question mark on Gillespie if he has a poor series too, and maybe Thorpe since he has Katich or even Clarke competing for his spot. Then there's Hayden and Strauss as well.

As has been said, it will be interesting to see how the general perception of what the combined XI should be changes after the series.

For the sake of argument, a combined ODI XI for the NWS:

Adam Gilchrist (k)
Michael Clarke
Ricky Ponting (c)
Damien Martyn
Kevin Pietersen
Andrew Flintoff
Andrew Symonds
Ashley Giles
Brett Lee
Jason Gillespie
Glenn McGrath

Only three englishmen of course, but England really only has one proven world class ODI player in Flintoff, and another who certainly looks the goods in Pietersen. Giles just gets in ahead of Hogg. If Clarke isn't opening, I guess drop Martyn for either Hayden or Trescothick and put Clarke down at 6.

Hogg is a better bowler and batsman than Giles in ODI's.