And here we go again....

[Scallywag]

Proof?

Broad called him after his testing unless you can show proof Broad was wrong.

 

[C_C]

Broad called him after his testing unless you can show proof Broad was wrong.

No, that doesnt prove that Harby has bowled with a different action in the tests- like i said- READ the ICC clauses for the test and you will find out that one's action/pace/spin must be CERTIFIED as match-standard for the test to have credibility.
Those certifying are umpires who've stood in a match with the bowler and/or video evidence.

Broad reporting Harby means one of two things - either broad is an idiot or Harby has changed his action in the ast 2 weeks.

 

[Scallywag]

No, that doesnt prove that Harby has bowled with a different action in the tests- like i said- READ the ICC clauses for the test and you will find out that one's action/pace/spin must be CERTIFIED as match-standard for the test to have credibility.
Those certifying are umpires who've stood in a match with the bowler and/or video evidence.

Broad reporting Harby means one of two things - either broad is an idiot or Harby has changed his action in the ast 2 weeks.

Well Harby must have changed his action bcause the ICC would not allow an idiot to be a match referee would they.

So why would Harby change his action after being tested, did he think after being cleared that he would be able to chuck with impunity, is that what is now going to happen players get cleared and then can go back and chuck without worring about getting called.

 

[Vroomfondel]

so wait...harby changed his action with the biomechanical expert so the answer is to send him back to the biomechanical expert?

 

[Vroomfondel]

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...le=data/sports/2005/March/sports_March471.xml

It is learnt that Pakistan coach Bob Woolmer has played his role in the development. He reportedly caught up with Broad on the third day of the second Test at Kolkata.

Woolmer, it is learnt, questioned Broad on ignoring ‘Bhajji’ and his variation. It seemed to have worked. Both Woolmer and Broad, incidentally, have played together for England.


don't know how credible that report is...:-)

 

[Scallywag]

so wait...harby changed his action with the biomechanical expert so the answer is to send him back to the biomechanical expert?

If he gets called a second time wont that mean an automatic 12 month suspension.

 

[Dasa]

a machine wont get the pleasure I get from talking to a whinging whining indian sook.

Whinging is an insult... whining is an insult... so is Indian an insult?

 

[Gangster]

My dearest Gangster.

I see you have been very charitable in your explanation of a joke, as you quite rightly pointed out I have no idea what a joke is. Your warm generous response to my suggestion that bowling machines replace bowlers made me realise that it would be a joke to suggest that. My heart is soothed knowing how much it means to you trying to find some way to imply that there must be a reason for Australia being the top cricket nation while India fight with the peasants for the coverted second best.

Argh, I can't really disagree with anything you've said. Just you wait until the next Indian tour of Australia!!!

 

[Top_Cat]

Scally; you've no proof that Harby or anyone changed their actions when looked at by UWA so unless you have some, don't bother even bringing it up particularly when there's plenty of evidence to suggest the converse.

And YOU are the only one to criticise based on national lines. I suggest you stop it right now.

This stuff;

a machine wont get the pleasure I get from talking to a whinging whining indian sook.

is NOT a positive contribution to the debate.

 

[Gangster]

a machine wont get the pleasure I get from talking to a whinging whining indian sook.

are those even real curse words? those sounds made up to me...

 

[Scallywag]

And YOU are the only one to criticise based on national lines. I suggest you stop it right now.

This stuff;



is NOT a positive contribution to the debate.

BTW, Scally,since we are on the topic of machines replacing human beings.........care to invent a racist, ****y, 'Australia is the best, rest are crap' machine to post instead of you?.

I only responded to this comment so if you want to take sides dont hide behind the moderator title fight like a man.

 

[Top_Cat]

I only responded to this comment so if you want to take sides dont hide behind the moderator title fight like a man.

And his reponse was in response to this;

It just seems that Indians cant ever grasp the fact that accepting the umpires decision is what makes the man not how much you can blame on the umpire.

Whoops..........

Try again.

Besides the difference is that you were having a go at Indians whereas he was having a go at you.

 

[Scallywag]

Scally; you've no proof that Harby or anyone changed their actions when looked at by UWA so unless you have some, don't bother even bringing it up particularly when there's plenty of evidence to suggest the converse.

.

This from a Indian report,

Still, Harbhajan bowled with a different action in the Kolkata Test. He was coming more side-on at the batsmen rather than bowling with a straight-up approach in his run-up.[/SIZE]

So can you tell me which action he used in the test and why he has two actions and were both tested.

I'm also interested in the evidence you have that suggests the converse or did you make that up.

 

[Scallywag]

And his reponse was in response to this;



Whoops..........

Try again.

Besides the difference is that you were having a go at Indians whereas he was having a go at you.

Thats a double whoops Top_Cat because you have allready raised that issue and we have moved on.

Remember you told me not to blanket stereotype people.

Are you over 50

 

[Top_Cat]

So can you tell me which action he used in the test and why he has two actions and were both tested.

There's a big difference between a slight variation in one's delivery stride and a wholesale change to avoid the perception of chucking.

I'm also interested in the evidence you have that suggests the converse or did you make that up.

As C_C said, their action needs to be verified by ICC regs as 'match correct' before the analysis can be accepted as representative of where they're at. And not just by one person but by several.

 

[Top_Cat]

Thats a double whoops Top_Cat because you have allready raised that issue and we have moved on.

Remember you told me not to blanket stereotype people.

Yeah and AFTER I told you that you DID IT AGAIN so no we obviously hadn't moved on at all!

 

[Scallywag]

There's a big difference between a slight variation in one's delivery stride and a wholesale change to avoid the perception of chucking.



As C_C said, their action needs to be verified by ICC regs as 'match correct' before the analysis can be accepted as representative of where they're at. And not just by one person but by several.

So which action did he use as the report in the khalee times clearly states that "Harbhajan bowled with a different action in the Kolkata Test" not a slight variation in ones delivery stride but a different action.

Harbhajan tried to put one over the umpires and he was caught out, just read what one of his team mates had to say "A member of the Indian team, on condition of anonymity, said how come bowlers like Harbhajan are not being allowed to bowl even when men like Shahid Afridi were ‘throwing’ every second delivery in India’s second innings." Almost sounds like a way of saying well they chuck why cant we.

 

[C_C]

Broad called him after his testing unless you can show proof Broad was wrong.

No, that doesnt prove that Harby has bowled with a different action in the tests- like i said- READ the ICC clauses for the test and you will find out that one's action/pace/spin must be CERTIFIED as match-standard for the test to have credibility.
Those certifying are umpires who've stood in a match with the bowler and/or video evidence.

Broad reporting Harby means one of two things - either broad is an idiot or Harby has changed his action in the ast 2 weeks.

 

[C_C]

Why does harby have a different action ? well perhaps he thinks this is better ?
Why do bowlers develop their actions ? Why does McGrath have a different action today than 5 years ago ? Why does Gillespie have a different action today than 6 years ago ?

if he has a new action, he must be referred- but then again, the standard must be consistent- if Harby is getting reported because he has a new action, everytime a bowler comes with a new action, he must be reported as well...
And why would ICC have an idiot for their match refferee ? well incase you dont know, ICC isnt the most professional and astute sporting body in the world... i've met broad and found him incredibly dull....plus i dont think Broad (who is a drinking buddy of some members of the OZ team) should really be allowed to officiate in the first place- you cannot be a judge when you have ties to one of the defendants/competitiors.

 

[dinu23]

BTW, before anyone misunderstands, I think Murali chucks his doosra as does harbhajan. Malik chucks often and SAfridi blatantly chucks his fater one. The problem is that thye new law has made the umpires job one of reporting to the ICC rather than calling a throw a throw when "they are not fully satisfied ". This will only cause careers to be ruined and bowlers since there is no way a bowler can be "taught" to flex, say 12 degrees, but not 16 !!

It is a mockery of a simple rule which existed and which, unfortunately, only few umpires were willing to implement as it stood !

Instead of asking the umpires to implement it strictly without fear, the ICC started on an excercise to "contain" the problem and has ended up with this laughable law that can not be implemented. Whats the point in banning a bowler for one year but not being able to stop him from bowling when he did what resulted in the ban ??

Ludicrous !!

high speed cameras have found out that 99% of bowlers flex their elbow when bowling. so it's unfair of u to just point ur finger at the above mentioned players. Or maybe u just want to ignore that fact because the chucking list include some of ur favourite players.