An Ageing Indian Side

[Deja moo]

err isnt this thread about ODI matches though? i mean its kind of stupid to assume that the indian test side is ageing when they've won the last test series that they've played....poor ODI form is no indication how good a test side they are.....

So youre saying India is the new England ?

 

[SJS]

err isnt this thread about ODI matches though? i mean its kind of stupid to assume that the indian test side is ageing when they've won the last test series that they've played....poor ODI form is no indication how good a test side they are.....

What is stupid is to assume that by ageing I meant they are not a good test side !!

This is about tests and it is about what is a good test side and it is about this good test side needing replacements of all its big guns within the same short span . Got that ?

 

[SJS]

I was disappointed when Das was discarded - because he shares my surname. Other than that, he did look like a very good opening batsman. Technically correct, and he would fit in well with someone like Sehwag down the other end. Much like a more successful Chopra, of course Chopra could still has time to do well.

You said it.

He was like Chopra except that he converted his 40's into bigger scores.

He was also an excellent close in fielder like Chopra.

 

[tooextracool]

What is stupid is to assume that by ageing I meant they are not a good test side !!

This is about tests and it is about what is a good test side and it is about this good test side needing replacements of all its big guns within the same short span . Got that ?

if its about the test side then why did you bring up kaif in the first place when he isnt even part of the squad???

 

[SJS]

if its about the test side then why did you bring up kaif in the first place when he isnt even part of the squad???

Having-the-last-word-syndrome

Kaif's name 'came up' in the context of the youngsters who are on the horizon at present to replace those 'ageing'.

Anything else that you find stupid, please do not hesitate to state

 

[luckyeddie]

Anything else that you find stupid, please do not hesitate to state

You've obviously got a lot of time on your hands.

 

[SJS]

You've obviously got a lot of time on your hands.

Sometimes. Rest of the time I run a Multinational Company

 

[luckyeddie]

Sometimes. Rest of the time I run a Multinational Company

Like I said.

 

[harris_zaman]

The cream of Indian batting is 30 and above. Laxman will be 30 next month. Tendulkar, Dravid and Ganguly are all older with Ganguly oldest at 32.

Sehwag (26), Yuvraj (23) and Kaif(24) are younger but only Sehwag has seemed like a world class player so far and he too has limitations.

Clearly there is need for young blood and promising young blood at that if India is not to slip back to the bottom again. For the sake of Indian cricket, there needs to be sensible but planned induction of some fresh faces.

Not persisting with Chopras, Badanis and others (all of whom have one thing in common that they have neither sponsors nor very exciting faces) may mean that we have to start afresh with the induction and 'breaking in' process.

India just lacks confidence .

 

[luckyeddie]

India just lacks confidence .

Really? Could you justify that statement, please?

(welcome to CW)

 

[tooextracool]

Having-the-last-word-syndrome

Kaif's name 'came up' in the context of the youngsters who are on the horizon at present to replace those 'ageing'.

Anything else that you find stupid, please do not hesitate to state

oh its not the last word syndrome, i fail to understand how kaif is even involved in this, theres not one person who has even thought about bringing kaif into the test side, the selectors havent shown any intention in doing that either so hes nowhere near the 'horizon' of replacing anyone in the first place. and yuvraj singh certainly hasnt done anything wrong in tests yet, so it would be unfair to criticise him for no apparent reason.

 

[aussie_beater]

Sometimes. Rest of the time I run a Multinational Company

Oh ! that means you have all the time in the world and not just one country.

 

[SJS]

Oh ! that means you have all the time in the world and not just one country.

 

[SJS]

Kaif and Yuvraj are no where near the potential that Ganguly, Dravid and Tendulkar posessed when they came.

Ganguly and Dravid came in with Tendulkar and Azhar still in the middle order besides Jadeja and what they did on debut and thereafter is well known.

Tendulkar came into a side which had Srikkanth, Siddhu, Manjrekar, Azhar, Shastri, Kapil, Prabhakar and still he forced his way into the test side and became a permanant fixture.

Yuvraj and Kaif have been around long enough to play 107 and 77 ODI's respectively but are nowhere near a permanent test cap. This is the point I am making. Thsy do not seem to have it in them to fill in the 'big boots'. We need a much larger pool to choose from and we cant do it at the last moment.

If India does not find a couple of very very good middle order batsmen in tests soon and get them into the side, there could be a big problem.

Also, Laxman and Ganguly may not last as long as Dravid and Sachin. Their reliance on hand eye coordination rather than sound techmique and concise footwork may mean a sudden decline. Only players with very solid technique last beyond mid 30's and srtill do well.

One year later its more true if anything and the concerns are much greater.

 

[Salamuddin]

One year later its more true if anything and the concerns are much greater.

What about Venugopala Rao, the leading run scorer in the 2004-2005 Ranjit trophy and Border-Gavaskar scholar in 2004 ?
Niraj Patel is also supposed to be a very good young batsman.

I'm not sure if India's problem is a lack of talent as such.....

 

[honestbharani]

No, the biggest problem is our administration. And I include the captain here. I have been a big fan of Sourav and I will be the first to admit that he has taken India to the next level as a team in his years as a captain. But he is not the same anymore. He has cut down his backlift and is basically looking to just chip and push balls so that he can stay at the wicket. He has basically lost his shots and has become a defensive batsman. Unfortunately, it has boiled over to his captaincy. He has become defensive to the point of being thick headed. He wants the players he likes, no matter how good or bad their performances have been. Earlier, he got the players he wanted and he got them to perform. NOw he makes sure the same players STAY in the side even if they don't perform. He can't question them too much because he himself is playing poorly. If India don't change their captain, a move to no.8 in the ODI rankings is coming up real soon.

 

[Arjun]

The real problem is not any lack of talent (not in a country like India), but lack of initiative. The selectors are not willing to take risks that can benefit the team in the future, but would stick to the same losing combination because they're used to it. The batsmen don't attack, but just bat out the 50 overs. The bowlers are just content with economy-rates under 5, even if they don't get wickets. Strategies are made just to save some skin, not win a match. It's mentioned clearly as the Gandhian trait of "not kicking the downtrodden" by Dileep of CricInfo.

If every player in the Indian team had an attitude like that of Dhoni, they would win more often. A lot more often.

 

[Sanz]

If every player in the Indian team had an attitude like that of Dhoni, they would win more often. A lot more often.

Are you for real ?? An attitude like Dhoni ??

 

[Dasa]

If every player in the Indian team had an attitude like that of Dhoni, they would win more often. A lot more often.

An attitude like Dhoni? Every player should have an attitude like Dravid or Tendulkar...

 

[GladiatrsInBlue]

An attitude like Dhoni? Every player should have an attitude like Dravid or Tendulkar...

Tendulkar is a known choker, if everyone have attitude like him then the team would even beat SA team in choking!