An Ageing Indian Side

[Arjun]

He isn't worse than Dinesh Mongia ? Are you kidding ? Have you even watched Mongia play ?

In one innings, Dhoni has done a lot more than Dinesh "Flog the minnow" Mongia ever did throughout his career.

Yes. First of all you will need basic skills to play international cricket which Dhoni doesn't have. He is 'can't keep-cant bat' sort of player who will not stay in international cricket for long and sooner or later is going to get kicked out (sooner the better). And by second skill if you meant 'Wicket Keeping' then sadly it is worse than his batting. If you ask me even Dravid can keep better than him.

You seem to hate MS Dhoni a lot, so if this makes you happy, I wasn't talking of him in particular. I was talking of anyone who can fit the bill for that role. Read it carefully and you'll know.

 

[Sanz]

In one innings, Dhoni has done a lot more than Dinesh "Flog the minnow" Mongia ever did throughout his career.

That's debatable at best. We were not discussing that however, you said that Dinesh Mongia's doesn't have any Technique, which is completely false. I am not a huge fan of Mongia either but he right now definately seems like a better cricketer than Dhoni.

You seem to hate MS Dhoni a lot, so if this makes you happy, I wasn't talking of him in particular. I was talking of anyone who can fit the bill for that role. Read it carefully and you'll know.

Hate is too strong a word, I dont hate any cricket player. And certainly not Dhoni For gods sake he comes from my state and 1st one to do so. I would be the happiest guy in CC the day he proves me wrong. But sadly I dont see that happening. I dont think there is anyone player in the current Indian cricket team who has a better attitude than Dravid. So please stay away from ridiculous statements.

 

[Jamee999]

Mongia's a county hero.

 

[Arjun]

Hate is too strong a word, I dont hate any cricket player. And certainly not Dhoni For gods sake he comes from my state and 1st one to do so. I would be the happiest guy in CC the day he proves me wrong. But sadly I dont see that happening. I dont think there is anyone player in the current Indian cricket team who has a better attitude than Dravid. So please stay away from ridiculous statements.

With comments like "can't-keep-can't-bat", "sooner he's kicked out the better", "won't last long", you seem to suggest otherwise. Look, I'm no big fan of Agarkar, though he's from the city where I live. I'm not lobbying for Murali Karthik, though he's from a FC team I support. But I don't go about trying to malign them the way some other fans on this board and elsewhere (particularly SportNetwork ICF) do, just to get attention. Sure, his style's not everyone's cup of tea, but to dismiss him as a no-hoper is not necessary. But it's not his skill that I am highlighting. It's his instinct to get at everything and hit for big shots that's good. If you can find someone better for that role, name him.

 

[Jono]

Dhoni exhibited some clean hitting late in the innings today to get India over the line. Kaif also played a good knock for a century. Without a doubt NZ's bowline line-up was weakened with Bond and Vettori both being rested, but it was a good effort. I think its pretty clear that Dhoni's place, at least for now, is in the lower order hitting late in the innings.

 

[Sanz]

With comments like "can't-keep-can't-bat", "sooner he's kicked out the better", "won't last long", you seem to suggest otherwise.

And that proves that I hate Dhonie, doesn't it ?? With that logic you must be deeply and madly in love with Mahendra Singh Dhoni. Anyways I dont need to prove anything to you. You can continue to believe whatever you want.

But it's not his skill that I am highlighting. It's his instinct to get at everything and hit for big shots that's good. If you can find someone better for that role, name him.

I dont follow indian domestic cricket that much to name a name, but If Dhoni is the best we have then no wonder we are the worst ODI nation and with this rate we are going to give Bangladesh and Zimbabwe a fair competition for the last 3 spots.

 

[honestbharani]

Quite a number of the Indians have a very good attitude, if you ask me, atleast while playing a match (not too sure about their attitudes outside of the matches.) If you look at it since 2000-2001, India have started to fight a lot more, they are always going down after atleast having put up a semblance of a fight, something that didn't happen often back in the old days. Credit for that has to go to Sourav and Wright. So, it is basically the skill set that is being brought into the question now. Most Indians in this team have the instinct to fight till the end. Now it is a matter of whether they are good enough to do what they want to do.

 

[Sanz]

So, it is basically the skill set that is being brought into the question now. Most Indians in this team have the instinct to fight till the end. Now it is a matter of whether they are good enough to do what they want to do.

I guess that sums up my point on this thread. Thank you Bharani.

 

[krishneelz]

future india

1. jadhav
2. gambhir
3. rao
4. kaif
5. sehwag
6. yuvraj
7. dhoni
8. pathan
9. jeetan patel (we recruite him from new zealand)
10. Harbhajan
11. balaji

first of all the batting line up looks shocking with 1 player world class sehwag and maybe yuvraj kaif and gambhir can become world class but unlikely

as for the keeper i think dhoni and krishna karthik are not too shabby and we have patel if all goes wrong

bowling is a problem WE NEED PACE. I think this is the biggest problem with no fast bowler. See england with harmi freddy and jones always cracking above 90 mph and giving it to the aussies

 

[krishneelz]

frankly indians dont eat enough roti dahl and baath. This is a problem. I actually thought balaji was going to be blown away by the wind. I reckon we need some more of those punjabi blokes with muscle. They are naturally tanks. After all they were india's ancient warriors

 

[SJS]

Everyone is entitled to his opinion, one can differ with others but there is no need to pass an asinine sarcastic remark like that

Well, GladiatorsInBlue, you can go about telling them all "I told you so" (about Dhoni) now !!

Good show

 

[Deja moo]

future india

1. jadhav
2. gambhir
3. rao
4. kaif
5. sehwag
6. yuvraj
7. dhoni
8. pathan
9. jeetan patel (we recruite him from new zealand)
10. Harbhajan
11. balaji

first of all the batting line up looks shocking with 1 player world class sehwag and maybe yuvraj kaif and gambhir can become world class but unlikely

as for the keeper i think dhoni and krishna karthik are not too shabby and we have patel if all goes wrong

bowling is a problem WE NEED PACE. I think this is the biggest problem with no fast bowler. See england with harmi freddy and jones always cracking above 90 mph and giving it to the aussies

 

[GladiatrsInBlue]

Well, GladiatorsInBlue, you can go about telling them all "I told you so" (about Dhoni) now !!

Good show

But they will keep on arguing that "he has only scored against weaker teams" and so on!!!

 

[SJS]

But they will keep on arguing that "he has only scored against weaker teams" and so on!!!

Well he has scored the highest and the 4th highest score for a keeper in an ODI. One against Pakistan and the other against Sri Lanka. If anyone wants to call either of them as being amongst the weaker sides, what can you do ? Ignore them.

No I dont think anyone will do that. They will want yet another innings (and maybe another after another after another) to admit he is good. Just like those who support a player want another failure (and another and another and another) before they agree he needs to be dropped.

And just like the failing batsman will one day mange to score and they will say " we told you he is good", they will say, "we told you he was a flash in the pan" when the law of averages catches up with Dhoni as it must one day.

For these "firm-footed" critics, what can you do ? Ignore them

 

[honestbharani]

WEll, I think Dhoni is a good prospect, but I would like to see how he goes abroad. He has potential, obviously, but it will be different when you are on tour. As usual, though, I do hope he proves me wrong.

 

[SJS]

WEll, I think Dhoni is a good prospect, but I would like to see how he goes abroad. He has potential, obviously, but it will be different when you are on tour. As usual, though, I do hope he proves me wrong.

Yes. We need to see him on different surfaces.

But without reading too much into his batting and expecting a certain Gilchrist like future for him, it is safe to say that he has better credentials as a batsman than any other keeper we have tried in a long time (for ODI's). Not counting Dravid of course.

If he improves his keeping abilities, we are on to a very good asset. If it turns out to be a great asset its a bonus. If it doesnt, it is still very good.

And we should leave it at that.

 

[honestbharani]

yeah, and as Greg Chappell says, this would spur on guys like Kaarthick and Parthiv and hopefully few others to raise their standards. That would be the ideal situation.

 

[SJS]

yeah, and as Greg Chappell says, this would spur on guys like Kaarthick and Parthiv and hopefully few others to raise their standards. That would be the ideal situation.

I hope they dont induct him into the test side too quickly. There wont be too much incentive on him to work harder on his keeping if they do.

Selecting Kaarthick before him for keeping merits will send the right signals to Dhoni. He has admitted that he needs to work on his keeping and that opinion needs to be reinforced rather than diluted.

 

[Sanz]

But they will keep on arguing that "he has only scored against weaker teams" and so on!!!

Hey GIB, Here is one for your BOOK :- http://cricket.indiatimes.com/quickiearticleshow/1295024.cms

Forwarded by a friend, Though of reading it, but gave up after reading the heading.

 

[Pratters]

WEll, I think Dhoni is a good prospect, but I would like to see how he goes abroad.

I agree with that. We have to see how Dhoni does in various conditions and stuff for a proper judgement of the player.

But whatever he has done till now should not be looked down upon and should be appreciated for what its worth.

When players play some superb knocks too much is made of the player either by a lot of praise for the player or a lot of disdain saying he has not proven himself yet. I am speaking generally and not specifically on Dhoni's case.

We should just appreciate the knock and wait for the future in most cases except where technical flaws and future are very much apparent and imminent respectively in which case it is not logical to continue with the player in question obviously.