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Craig

World Traveller
That was in the TVS Cup where Chris Nevin and Lou Vincent and along with Chris Harris had no idea with the bat.
 

Eclipse

International Debutant
Richard why is it in your opinion Williams has souch a good economy rate if he is souch a crap bowler??

He is not as good as his figures suggest but he is not that bad because he keep's it fairly tight.
 

BlackCap_Fan

State Vice-Captain
Arjun said:
Williams is one of the best fast bowlers in action these days. Even if he is not a regular figure in the ODI/Test team, his ODI average of 22, with 2 5-wicket hauls, is not bad at all. Hogg, on the other hand, is just a tail-end cleaner.
Well,can you explain,that if you think Williams is one of the best around,why he jumps up and down and dances when he gets a wicket?

and Hogg.He's reasonable.Certainly not #22.

Williams,against good teams doesn't do too well.Most of his wickets were against NZ,in that period when they had major problems with their batsmen.
 

Eclipse

International Debutant
Richard said:
Not against decent teams he doesn't most of the time.
He did against India in the VB series?

he was the most economical bowler in the series. and still the most economical when you remove game's against Zimbabwe.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
The last three games India most certainly did not qualify as a "decent team". They were every bit as abject as Zimbabwe.
Similar story in The TVS Cup and the former part of The VB Series. India generally hammered him all over everywhere.
Because, believe it or not, he's not actually that accurate. Otherwise he'd have a better domestic record.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
At least Williams gets the job done well. Not 2 bad balls mixed among 4 good balls. Besides, he's a part of a team that wins more often, which makes him one of the better bowlers around. Even if he did get hammered all around, he still got the wickets. He's a hard-working bowler who looks to get his job as a bowler done, and done well, throughout a series, not like Agarkar, who's done after bowling well once in a series.

Williams,against good teams doesn't do too well.Most of his wickets were against NZ,in that period when they had major problems with their batsmen.
At least he gets wickets of top-6 batsmen, not of tailenders. He gets them off good balls. It's a different matter tha Chris Nevin's not of international standard, as Krish Srikkanth said. Besides, in the Melbourne Test, he bowled well for his 4/56, even when Brett Lee went for 94 for just 2 wickets.

Well,can you explain,that if you think Williams is one of the best around,why he jumps up and down and dances when he gets a wicket?
Just the same reason why great bowlers, and also bowlers in great teams celebrate so much at the fall of a wicket. They look to win. They value victory.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Arjun said:
At least he gets wickets of top-6 batsmen, not of tailenders. He gets them off good balls. It's a different matter tha Chris Nevin's not of international standard, as Krish Srikkanth said. Besides, in the Melbourne Test, he bowled well for his 4/56, even when Brett Lee went for 94 for just 2 wickets.
There's not a massive amount of credit to be had for dismissing a substandad batsman, or even an up-to-standard batsman, if the stroke is poor.
Basically, it doesn't matter how good or poor the striker is as a batsman, what matters is how good the delivery is.
And personally I have yet to see much evidence of Williams constantly producing good deliveries. Of course he can do it on a wicket that's seaming all over the place, but not on one that's not.
His accuracy, for me, is hugely overblown - almost invariably, against decent batting, he has been hammered and not taken the wickets.
Circumstances have conspired in his favour throughout his ODI career. Fortunately, they haven't done the same in Tests. He's produced one semi-decent spell. His overall record is very poor.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
He wasn't too bad, but the ability of Zimbabwe's batsmen did have an influence on his figures.
 

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