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All-Time West Indies XIs - A re-run

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Patience and Accuracy+Gut

State Vice-Captain
Qlder said:
Sorry, read your post in isolation that you said Holding can't finish games and Sobers is a crappy spinner. I also voted Gibbs in first XI
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For Sobers, his stats as a spinner is actually lot worse than him as a quick. Think This is pretty well known. He was a fine quick bowler but his stats as a spinner isn’t even worth in these discussions.

My problem was more because of the overrate of having 4 quick not with Holding in particular.Holding in the team is fine but Garner probably sits out in that scenario rather than Gibbs in my team.
 
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Qlder

International Regular
Patience and Accuracy+Gut said:
For Sobers, his stats as a spinner is actually lot worse than him as a quick. Think This is pretty well known. He was a fine quick bowler but his stats as a spinner isn’t even worth in these discussions.
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Please enlighten us with a link to Sobers stats as being a worse spinner than pacer. This has been wanted for over 50 years but as far as I'm aware it doesn't exist.

Also don't forget Sobers was used as needed by the team, he bowled as sole spinner when pace friendly pitch and bowled as 3rd pacer when spin friendly pitch
 
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Patience and Accuracy+Gut

State Vice-Captain
Qlder said:
Please enlighten us with a link to Sobers stats as being a worse spinner than pacer. This has been wanted for over 50 years but as far as I'm aware it doesn't exist.

Also don't forget Sobers was used as needed by the team, he bowled as sole spinner when pace friendly pitch and bowled as 3rd pacer when spin friendly pitch
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Here’s a post from @peterhrt

There is actually a reasonable amount of information regarding which style Sobers was bowling, some of it in the comprehensive thread just linked.

For the first five years of his Test career he bowled only finger-spin; the next two seasons only wrist-spin.

His quicker style began in Australia in 1960-61 and largely dominated from then on, apart from the home series against India in 1962 when he bowled mainly wrist-spin. A shoulder injury in 1966 more or less put paid to the wrist-spin. So he reverted to finger-spin on slower pitches, usually in support of Gibbs. From this point Sobers would sometimes save his spin for the second innings.

The figures below are estimates only. Fewer wickets with spin than I assumed in the earlier post.

Quicker style: 147 wickets @ 31
Wrist-spin: 42 @ 33
Finger-spin: 46 @ 42

Total: 235 wickets @ 34

The numbers probably broadly reflect views of the relative merit of his three styles.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
West Indies XIWest Indies A
1. CG Greenidge1. RC Fredericks
2. CC Hunte2. DL Haynes
3. GA Headley3. RB Kanhai
4. BC Lara4. ED Weekes
5. IVA Richards*5. FMM Worrell
6. GS Sobers6.
7. CL Walcott+ ⬆7. PJ Dujon+
8. MD Marshall8. AME Roberts
9. J Garner9. MA Holding
10. CEL Ambrose10.
11. LR Gibbs11.
 
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