All Time Sub Cont XI

[Goughy]

Thats the third time in an hour you've demanded others do the work. Why not spend some time yourself ?

Why should he look-up stats when they may get in the way of his nationalist propaganda.

Anyway stats info requested to back up the the theory that Imran was better with the bat and ball at different stages of his career and developed as a batsman as his bowling declined.

Between Feb 1982 and March 1986 Imran averaged under 20 runs per wicket in 8 consecutive series (he did not bowl in 1 series). It was an incredible achievement. However, In those 9 series he passed 50 only 8 times with the bat.

Between 1971 and 1983, Imran scored 1 test century. Thats more than just the beginning of his career.

Imran score 4 of his 100s in the last 5 years of his career.

Imran had a very low career bowling average. However 3 of his 6 hundreds were scored in series that he averaged over 35 with the ball.

Imran was seldom great with both bat and ball at the same time.

 

[Hugh]

Nope you are crying about and writing stupid one liners after each reply I have made . So make a case present the stats and then discuss .

I already did. Your turn.

Because you said Imran was not a good bowler and was an average batsman before he got injured and then he did this and did that .

Blatant Lie. Do not stoop so low.

I quote myself from post # 133

"He was a great bowler, broke down, and then became a decent batsman."

Nowhere do I insinuate that he was, in your own words, "not a good bowler".

I want to see a graph and stats ?? do your job . Do not write one liners here and do not just walk away . Present the records . And make the records available here to base your assumption .You said some thing and I need a proof.

The visually challenged may refer post # 135.

You are right may be but I do not believe in stupid fairy tales and I believe in facts and figures please. Present em and do not just walk away after writing one liners like a school kid . I am quite impressed with this story that Imran was not a good bowler .Prove it by stats . Draw a line make two headers Imrtan and Kapil and write down their test by test records and prove that Imran did not take the wickets at a better average than Kapil ??? Prove it ?
Stats>?

When did I ever say Kapil was a better bowler than Imran ? There you go again putting words in my mouth. What I said was that Imran was a better batsman after his injury and not all-rounder-like-good with the bat before the injury. Talk of hot headedness.


Once again, I challenge you to show where I supposedly state that Imran was not a good bowler. Get your facts right.

 

[Goughy]

Nope you are crying about and writing stupid one liners after each reply I have made . So make a case present the stats and then discuss . Because you said Imran was not a good bowler and was an average batsman before he got injured and then he did this and did that . I want to see a graph and stats ?? do your job . Do not write one liners here and do not just walk away . Present the records . And make the records available here to base your assumption .You said some thing and I need a proof. You are right may be but I do not believe in stupid fairy tales and I believe in facts and figures please. Present em and do not just walk away after writing one liners like a school kid . I am quite impressed with this story that Imran was not a good bowler .Prove it by stats . Draw a line make two headers Imrtan and Kapil and write down their test by test records and prove that Imran did not take the wickets at a better average than Kapil ??? Prove it ?
Stats>?

The problem is you throw massive amounts of biased and pro Pakistan stuff around with no substance and then expect others to disprove your bizarre conclusions.

Take the one about the age of Raza on debut. I showed evidence that the age was insorrect and you walked away from that.

 

[FRAZ]

Statistics please? Because Kapil getting a prefference her so let us check the test by test record .And I am not presenting a theory here . I am asking the questions and the facts and figures about the theory . You seem like having a knowledge about Imrran not being a good bowler later on .. So facts and figures of your theory and facts and figures about the Kapil's record too . I want to compare it please..
Your theory and I want your stats ???Stats please ...
Answer me with facts and figures please

 

[FRAZ]

Why should he look-up stats when they may get in the way of his nationalist propaganda.

Anyway stats info requested to back up the the theory that Imran was better with the bat and ball at different stages of his career and developed as a batsman as his bowling declined.

Between Feb 1982 and March 1986 Imran averaged under 20 runs per wicket in 8 consecutive series (he did not bowl in 1 series). It was an incredible achievement. However, In those 9 series he passed 50 only 8 times with the bat.

Between 1971 and 1983, Imran scored 1 test century. Thats more than just the beginning of his career.

Imran score 4 of his 100s in the last 5 years of his career.

Imran had a very low career bowling average. However 3 of his 6 hundreds were scored in series that he averaged over 35 with the ball.

Imran was seldom great with both bat and ball at the same time.

Match 1 to 88 Match by match
Kapil and Imran please

 

[FRAZ]

The problem is you throw massive amounts of biased and pro Pakistan stuff around with no substance and then expect others to disprove your bizarre conclusions.

Take the one about the age of Raza on debut. I showed evidence that the age was insorrect and you walked away from that.

Prove my stuff is pro Pakistani .. My all time favourite bowlers list has 7 bowlers who are not Pakistani and I just asked for a simple proof that Kapil is abetter allrounder so just a proof I demanded .. Accusations I do not believe in .

 

[Hugh]

Statistics please? Because Kapil getting a prefference her so let us check the test by test record .And I am not presenting a theory here . I am asking the questions and the facts and figures about the theory . You seem like having a knowledge about Imrran not being a good bowler later on .. So facts and figures of your theory and facts and figures about the Kapil's record too . I want to compare it please..
Your theory and I want your stats ???Stats please ...
Answer me with facts and figures please

For the last time, do your own dirty. The only response you have to our posts is another attempt at stalling. Its your turn to prove that Imran was a very good batsman before the injury or to prove that I claimed Kapil a better bowler than him, which you so hypocritically accuse me of.

 

[Swervy]

Prove it .

its on statsguru on cricinfo if you want to look...fact is Imran rarely combined both batting and bowling to great effect at the same time...and another thing..Imran actually rarely scored runs when the pressure was on

 

[Anil]

He was a good all rounder, but Imran was far better and with one in there, you surely then want the superior bowlers rather than another one who is being picked partly on batting?

that's why i explained that i picked all the others who i thought were superior bowlers, i.e. khan, waqar, wasim and murali and then was left with picking either an allrounder or another batsman....i thought another allrounder would add more balance to my side than another batsman so i picked kapil, i don't really rate another bowler ahead of him in the subcontinent anyway....

 

[marc71178]

He averages 37 overall in 88 tests with the bat. His batting average after the injury, approximately in his last 40-45 matches is 51. Work out his average before the shin injury.

One quick look at cricinfo - his last 40 matches - 50.92 with bat, 22.57 with ball.

 

[marc71178]

Answer me with facts and figures please

The problem is, when people do answer that way, you try to ignore them.

 

[marc71178]

that's why i explained that i picked all the others who i thought were superior bowlers, i.e. khan, waqar, wasim and murali and then was left with picking either an allrounder or another batsman....i thought another allrounder would add more balance to my side than another batsman so i picked kapil, i don't really rate another bowler ahead of him in the subcontinent anyway....

So you're saying that there is only 1 subcontinent spinner better than Kapil?

 

[Anil]

So you're saying that there is only 1 subcontinent spinner better than Kapil?

spin it anyway you want....i am saying i rate 4 bowlers better than kapil in the subcontinent....

 

[aussie]

My idea of one:

TESTS:

Sunil Gavaskar
Haniff Mohammed
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Javed Miandad
Kumar Sangakkara+
Imran Khan*
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Muttiah Muralitharan
Abdul Qadir

Back-ups: Kapil Dev, Vijay Hazare, Anil Kumble, Farook Engineer,

ODI:

Sanath Jayasuriya
Sachin Tendulkar
Zaheer Abbas
Kumar Sangakkara+
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Imran Khan*
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Muttiah Muralitharan

Back-ups: Saqlain Mushtaq, Chaminda Vaas, Aravinda De Silva, Shaid Afridi.

 

[silentstriker]

My idea of one:

TESTS:

Sunil Gavaskar
Haniff Mohammed
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Javed Miandad
Kumar Sangakkara+
Imran Khan*
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Muttiah Muralitharan
Abdul Qadir

Back-ups: Kapil Dev, Vijay Hazare, Anil Kumble, Farook Engineer,

ODI:

Sanath Jayasuriya
Sachin Tendulkar
Zaheer Abbas
Kumar Sangakkara+
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Imran Khan*
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Muttiah Muralitharan

Back-ups: Saqlain Mushtaq, Chaminda Vaas, Aravinda De Silva, Shaid Afridi.

In tests, batting is a little thin. I'd only have one spinner (Murali) and pick another bat instead (Abbas?), or at least an all rounder (Kapil). Same concern in ODI, but you can bat all the way down the order, and people all the way down to Kapil are capable of that quick 50 to win a match. And Wasim can also do that once in a while, so its not a big deal.


On tests, I might be tempted to go in with just a specialist wicketkeeper and not worry about batting from him (Engineer)...but I'm not sure about that.