All-Time SA ODI XI

[Van_Sri]

South Africa XI that can defeat Australia XI : South Africa XI : 1) de Kock+ 2) Amla 3) Kallis 4) du Plessis* 5) de Villiers 6) Miller 7) Pollock 8) Klusener 9) Hall 10) Tahir 11) Donald.

Took de Kock because we need most experienced Wicket Keeper who can Bat even a single catch can turn the match so don’t want anybody not that experienced like De Villiers. Amla or Gibbs - Gibbs hit some amazing knocks but we need someone consistent like Amla to make life easy. Kallis - He won lot of matches for South Africa as an Allrounder. du plessis or Cronje - wanted to take cronje as he was a good batting allrounder but went for du plessis as he was a better batsman and his winning percentage of 71 % was same as Cronje. De Villiers - best modern batsman of South Africa. David Miller a good aggressive batsman with superb strike rate, didn’t take Klaasen as he still needs to prove in terms of longevity. Pollock, Klusener, Donald are obvious choice. Tahir best spinner for South Africa. Andrew Hall I took as he was good medium pace swing bowler who can also bat in the lower order unlike Fanie de Villiers. So a Bowling Lineup with Donald, Pollock, Hall, Klusener, Kallis, Tahir is Lethal.

 

[Northerner]

Surprised no one has mentioned Clive Rice, a genuine all rounder, massive experience and he did play ODIs,

 

[Fanboy375]

Mine is:
Amla
Kock (wk)
Gibbs
Kallis
Villiers
Klusener
Pollock
Steyn
Morkel
Tahir
Donald

 

[Cricket Bliss]

I posted an all-time South African ODI XI on Twitter and got a bit of flack for leaving out Kallis. What are everyone's thoughts? I honestly don't think he makes an all-time SA ODI team, although he walks into an all-time SA Test XI, perhaps even an all-time Test XI from all countries.

But this was my SA ODI XI:
QDK (wk)
Gibbs
Amla
AB
Faf (c)
Miller
Klusener
Pollock
Donald
Ntini
Tahir

Ntini also maybe questionable.

Kallis definitely is an addition to the team, the overall balance and the anchor role…would swap Miller and rearrange the batting order for Kallis

Kallis has a low strike rate of 73.. but all his other accomplishments are definitely worth mentioning
no player who hasn’t impacted the game would go on to play continuously for 18 years… longevity… CW forgets that in the case of Kallis

Kallis also has 30+ MOM… without impact is that possible?

Kallis also is the sole reason South Africa won their only ICC Trophy..
Kallis was also rated by Wisden in 2002 as the 9th greatest ODI batsman

 

[Dendarii]

Surprised no one has mentioned Clive Rice, a genuine all rounder, massive experience and he did play ODIs,

He played three at the age of 42.

Immensely talented player, who very likely would have been an ODI great if given the opportunity. But an all-time ODI XI by definition is only looking at ODI performances, so there's no way he makes it.

 

[SeamUp]

Kallis definitely is an addition to the team, the overall balance and the anchor role…would swap Miller and rearrange the batting order for Kallis

Kallis has a low strike rate of 73.. but all his other accomplishments are definitely worth mentioning
no player who hasn’t impacted the game would go on to play continuously for 18 years… longevity… CW forgets that in the case of Kallis

Kallis also has 30+ MOM… without impact is that possible?

Kallis also is the sole reason South Africa won their only ICC Trophy..
Kallis was also rated by Wisden in 2002 as the 9th greatest ODI batsman

Times were also very different. He was playing in an era where SR 70-80 was acceptable. Especially because the white ball moved around to start much more than it does now + there was other challenges of reverse swing. You could win games scoring 200-225. This was a lot of the base in his career too & it was role early identified for him & stuck with him until the end of his career where he showed he could open up. TBF I saw him play devastating white ball knocks as a youngster for WP & SA.

There has no doubt been a mentality shift in batting & there are more 90+ SRs but ODI cricket changed a lot for better and worse because of it.

The bowling was a hobby but he used to bowl high 140s hooping away swingers. Will never forget that 99 WC game where we felt cheated against Sri Lanka and Mark Boucher attests, it was the quickest spell he ever kept too from Kallis. There was limited over genius in him & the only negative is he might have held back showing it more for the team.

 

[Fanboy375]

kallis was more a bowler during 90s than 2000s.Later he bowl less and couldn't have a good average.But since batting was easy during 2000s it is not bad record for Kallis with ball.He could be part time bowler

 

[Stefan9]

1.qdk
2.gibbs
3.kallis
4.abd
5.faf
6.miller
7.klusener
8.pollock
9.morne Morkel
10. Dale Steyn
11.tahir

Amla and Donald unfortunate to miss out.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

kallis was more a bowler during 90s than 2000s.Later he bowl less and couldn't have a good average.But since batting was easy during 2000s it is not bad record for Kallis with ball.He could be part time bowler

He is more than a part time bowler any day.. yes after 2002 his bowling declined..till 2002 From 168 matches Kallis had 164 scalps @ 29…which means 50% of his career he could be labelled as a regular bowler
The main advantage of Kallis is his sole performance in the 98 Knockout Trophy which handed South Africa their only championship…
Also his 5/30 in the finals was rated by the Wisden in 2002 as the 15th greatest bowling performance.

Kallis was actually a better bowler than Jayasuriya

 

[Fanboy375]

Barry and G. Pollock deserve honourable mention

 

[Dendarii]

Barry and G. Pollock deserve honourable mention

Only if you make a lot of assumptions about how they would have performed, and you'd have to work hard to justify those assumptions (especially in Richards' case).

 

[Northerner]

Only if you make a lot of assumptions about how they would have performed, and you'd have to work hard to justify those assumptions (especially in Richards' case).

You have got to be joking, they where both world class players and would have succeeded in any form of cricket, ask the bowlers who bowled to them how good they where, no assumptions needed, the rebel Aussie and Windies teams where very strong, better than some fully fledged international teams, Pollock dealt with them, the Aussie and Windies team in WSC will tell you how good Richards was. 2 of the best if not the best South Africa ever had,

 

[Marius]

You have got to be joking, they where both world class players and would have succeeded in any form of cricket, ask the bowlers who bowled to them how good they where, no assumptions needed, the rebel Aussie and Windies teams where very strong, better than some fully fledged international teams, Pollock dealt with them, the Aussie and Windies team in WSC will tell you how good Richards was. 2 of the best if not the best South Africa ever had,

Barry and G. Pollock deserve honourable mention

That's like putting Lance Klusener in an all-time SA T20I XI. Sure, he would probably have been good in T20s but he never played one, or a T20I, so you can't say he should have been in an all-time SAT20I Xi.

 

[Dendarii]

You have got to be joking, they where both world class players and would have succeeded in any form of cricket, ask the bowlers who bowled to them how good they where, no assumptions needed, the rebel Aussie and Windies teams where very strong, better than some fully fledged international teams, Pollock dealt with them, the Aussie and Windies team in WSC will tell you how good Richards was. 2 of the best if not the best South Africa ever had,

Richards averaged 40 in List A matches, which is good, but some way off being a great in the format. There's more of a case for Pollock as his career stats suggest that he would have done very well, but you still can't say with absolute certainty how he would have gone.

Honourable mentions are for those who just missed out, and the lack of matches rules out Pollock and Richards. Even counting the rebel tours and World Series Crickets doesn't yield a big enough sample size.

 

[Northerner]

Richards averaged 40 in List A matches, which is good, but some way off being a great in the format. There's more of a case for Pollock as his career stats suggest that he would have done very well, but you still can't say with absolute certainty how he would have gone.

Honourable mentions are for those who just missed out, and the lack of matches rules out Pollock and Richards. Even counting the rebel tours and World Series Crickets doesn't yield a big enough sample size.

Sorry but i disagree, i saw both of them play, they would have been hugely successful in ODIs, Gordon Greenidge said he was in awe of Barry Richards. if Greenidge says that it tells you something.

 

[ataraxia]

I didn't realise how great Pollock's List A record was tbh. Averaging 50 in that era is phenomenal. Can only wonder what his SR was like.

 

[reyrey]

1.QDK
2.Gibbs
3.Kallis
4.ABD
5.Faf
6.Miller
7.Klusener
8.Pollock
9.Boje
10.Donald/Steyn/ Rabada (no preference)
11.Tahir

Balanced side, bats deep, great fielding unit.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Kallis is a joke in any kind of ATG ODI team. He was lucky to make their team at all. Lost games off his own bat by scoring too slowly.

lucky to make a team and play 328 ODI and score over 10000 runs? He is the only reason why South Africa atleast have a Trophy

Kallis was rated as the 9th great ODI batsmen by Wisden in 2002... Kallis till then had 5,890 runs @44.62 , SR 70.09, 8 100s and 42 50s

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Quinton de Kock (wk)
Hashim Amla
Jacques Kallis
AB de Villiers (c)
Faf du Plessis
David Miller
Lance Klusenar
Shaun Pollock
Allan Donald
Makhaya Ntini
Imran Tahir

 

[Fanboy375]

lucky to make a team and play 328 ODI and score over 10000 runs? He is the only reason why South Africa atleast have a Trophy

Kallis was rated as the 9th great ODI batsmen by Wisden in 2002... Kallis till then had 5,890 runs @44.62 , SR 70.09, 8 100s and 42 50s

Kallis and Dravid aren't top tier odi batsman but they are big important player for their teams.Kallis was slow but he is better than all SA batsman except Amla and AB when they played together