All time ODI XI

[TheJediBrah]

Symonds would be a perfect guy to have as a no. 7 bat

 

[honestbharani]

Man all these elevens seriously lack lefties.


Sachin
Jayasuriya
Viv
Bevan
AB
MSD (wk) (c)
Stokes
Pollock
Wasim
Saqlain
Ambrose

 

[Fuller Pilch]

World XI picked from different teams:

Sachin
Jayasuriya
Viv (c)
Shakib
ABDV
RTD
Butler (wk)
Hadlee
Wasim
Rashid Khan
McGrath

Streak 12th man

Would beat quite a few of the teams listed.

 

[Migara]

Jones, Pollock are picked. QDK and Starc most probably will be picked more regularly once the finish their careers. Ditto Willamson. Hasan has too many slow bowling competitors. Morgan is no where in top 10 when it comes to middle order players. Warner is a dead set loss to Tendulkar, Gilchrist, Jayasuriya or Watson at the top of the order because of the quality of the batsmanship or as whole package. Waugh and O'Donnel . . Ew!

 

[Prince EWS]

World XI picked from different teams:

Sachin
Jayasuriya
Viv (c)
Shakib
ABDV
RTD
Butler (wk)
Hadlee
Wasim
Rashid Khan
McGrath

Streak 12th man

Yeah probably hard to argue against this much, although RTD only played 7 games against Test teams. Maybe swap him and Hadlee out for Williamson and Streak?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Yeah probably hard to argue against this much, although RTD only played 7 games against Test teams. Maybe swap him and Hadlee out for Williamson and Streak?

Fair enough, but Taylor instead of Williamson.

 

[Prince EWS]

Fair enough, but Taylor instead of Williamson.

Yeah good call, especially since we wouldn't have to move Viv from 3.

 

[Socerer 01]

How the hell is Williamson making these XIs ahead of Ross the Boss even if he had a good world cup in 2019? Feels like there is a clear difference in the output they have managed over a long period which will only worsen now that Williamson is on a tuktuk mission

 

[Red]

Jones, Pollock are picked. QDK and Starc most probably will be picked more regularly once the finish their careers. Ditto Willamson. Hasan has too many slow bowling competitors. Morgan is no where in top 10 when it comes to middle order players. Warner is a dead set loss to Tendulkar, Gilchrist, Jayasuriya or Watson at the top of the order because of the quality of the batsmanship or as whole package. Waugh and O'Donnel . . Ew!

I've rarely seen any of these guys listed in teams that are ATG ODI first XIs. Williamson and Jones dont appear in these teams over Viv, ABD and Kohli.

That was my point.

What do you mean by "Waugh and O'Donnell ew" ?

 

[Prince EWS]

Fair enough, but Taylor instead of Williamson.

This got me thinking about a NZ AT ODI XI... who opens? Good cases to be made for all of Baz, Guptill, Fleming, Astle and Turner IMO. Baz obviously plays but might be better used as a finisher given so many of the better bats are openers.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

How the hell is Williamson making these XIs ahead of Ross the Boss even if he had a good world cup in 2019? Feels like there is a clear difference in the output they have managed over a long period which will only worsen now that Williamson is on a tuktuk mission

No idea. Ross was up with Rohit as the 3rd best ODI batter of the 2010s behind Kohli/AB (whichever way you rank 1 & 2).

 

[Socerer 01]

No idea. Ross was up with Rohit as the 3rd best ODI batter of the 2010s behind Kohli/AB (whichever way you rank 1 & 2).

iirc he had the third highest average between the last two odi world cups behind only Rohit and Kohli. Who knows how good his overall record could’ve been without the pterygium problem

 

[subshakerz]

Can’t see the point in running two keepers when you could pick an equivalent-ish bat who’s a gun fielder.

Gilly is the keeper. Dhoni makes it as a finisher alone.

 

[Red]

Only absolute gun fielders

M.Waugh
A.Gilchrist
R.Ponting
V.Richards
C.Lloyd
A.Symonds
P.Collingwood
R.Jadeja
B.Lee
T.Boult
J.Garner
12: J.Rhodes

 

[Red]

Gilly is the keeper. Dhoni makes it as a finisher alone.

I understand that but I just value fielding. Would prefer a bat who is a gun fielder

 

[Prince EWS]

This got me thinking about a NZ AT ODI XI... who opens? Good cases to be made for all of Baz, Guptill, Fleming, Astle and Turner IMO. Baz obviously plays but might be better used as a finisher given so many of the better bats are openers.

1 McCullum
2 Guptill
3 Williamson
4 Taylor
5 Crowe
6 Cairns
7 Dharmasena
8 Hadlee
9 Vettori
10 Bond
11 Boult

 

[Fuller Pilch]

iirc he had the third highest average between the last two odi world cups behind only Rohit and Kohli. Who knows how good his overall record could’ve been without the pterygium problem

Highest averages in the 2010s (over 100 ODIs, so Babar excluded*):
AB 64.20
Kohli 60.79
Taylor 54.01
Rohit 53.56
Sanga 52.96
Root 51.36
Dhoni 50.35
Amla 49.76
Williamson, Faf, and Warner all in the 47s

*Babar (74 ODIs) 54.17

 

[Bolo.]

1 Tendulkar
2 Rohit
3 Richards
4 Kohli
5 de Villiers
6 Dhoni
7 Pollock
8 Wasim
9 Murali
10 Garner
11 McGrath

I'm not sure if playing that many bowlers would help or hurt against the same team with an extra AR in it.

I do think that the extra bowler means you will be dropping more matches against weaker teams- even a top order that strong is collapsing sometimes.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Only absolute gun fielders

M.Waugh
A.Gilchrist
R.Ponting
V.Richards
C.Lloyd
A.Symonds
P.Collingwood
R.Jadeja
B.Lee
T.Boult
J.Garner
12: J.Rhodes

Good side. I'd pick Chris Harris for Collingwood though. While Collingwood was a better bat he wasn't a 7, while Harris was a better fielder, and a much better bowler than anyone else in the top 7. Also ABDV was a gun fielder too, so should be included.

 

[ankitj]

Greenidge wasn't the best ODI opener in his own team

That's not true. Any decent ranking of ODI players has Greenidge above Haynes. Twice in CW top 50 ODI player rankings, Greenidge has found a place while Haynes hasn't. Greenidge until some time back had the 2ne best proportion of MoM awards to matches after Richards (iirc Kohli has now overtaken him) which indicates how big his impact was. On overall averages too, Greenidge has Haynes covered comfortably. Greenidge also scores hundreds more frequently than Haynes. And on the metric that matters to many when rating ODI players, in world cups Greenidge averages 45 to Haynes' 37. In my simple analysis based on normalised averages and SRs, Greenidge emerged as 2nd best opening batsman of all time (which didn't surprise me at all fwiw).