All Time England XI game

[Teuton]

David Allen
Andy Sandham
Dick Barlow

 

[AndrewB]

He won a test against Australia and in his tour out here suffered from the effects of a broken hand (iirc). His biggest regret must have been turning down a spot for the bodyline tour. He may have pipped Verity for the spinner's spot.

I can't recall seeing JC White's name. He's about the only spin bowler who effectively won a series out here since the first world war. That's the bigger travesty.

That's pretty generous - at the time the series was won (i.e. when England won the 3rd Test to go 3-0 up) he'd taken fewer wickets at a worse average than all of the other main bowlers (Larwood, Tate and Geary).

 

[Starfighter]

Les Jackson
Barlow
Sandham

 

[Starfighter]

England XI 1. JB Hobbs 2. L Hutton * 3. WR Hammond 4. KF Barrington 5. DCS Compton 6. IT Botham 7. APE Knott + 8. H Larwood 9. JC Laker 10. FS Trueman 11. SF Barnes	England A XI 1. H Sutcliffe 2. G Boycott 3. KS Ranjitsinhji 4. PBH May 5. JE Root 6. WG Grace * 7. LEG Ames + 8. H Verity 9. AV Bedser 10. JA Snow 11. FH Tyson	England B XI 1. GA Gooch 2. AN Cook 3. ER Dexter * 4. KP Pietersen 5. DI Gower 6. FE Woolley 7. MW Tate 8. TG Evans + 9. RGD Willis 10. DL Underwood 11. JM Anderson	England C XI 1. JH Edrich 2. ME Trescothick 3. MC Cowdrey * 4. EH Hendren 5. GP Thorpe 6. A Flintoff 7. RC Russell + 8. W Rhodes 9. D Gough 10. GA Lohmann 11. JB Statham	England D XI 1. AJ Stewart 2. DL Amiss 3. TW Graveney 4. FS Jackson 5. M Leyland 6. AW Greig * 7. FR Foster 8. RW Taylor + 9. JH Wardle 10. SCJ Broad 11. T Richardson	England E XI 1. AC MacLaren * 2. A Shrewsbury 3. IJL Trott 4. CP Mead 5. E Paynter 6. JM Bairstow + 7. TE Bailey 8. GP Swann 9. W Voce 10. ARC Fraser 11. WE Bowes
England F XI 1. C Washbrook 2. MP Vaughan 3. WJ Edrich 4. KS Duleepsinhji 5. RA Smith 6. DR Jardine * 7. JM Parks + 8. GOB Allen 9. WH Lockwood 10. R Peel 11. K Farnes	England G XI 1. AJ Strauss * 2. MA Atherton 3. GE Tyldesley 4. TW Hayward 5. J Hardstaff Jr 6. BL D'Oliveira 7. MJ Prior + 8. GH Hirst 9. J Briggs 10. K Higgs 11. DJ Brown	England H XI 1. PE Richardson 2. B Abel 3. JT Tyldesley 4. IR Bell 5. AJ Lamb * 6. AG Steel 7. W Barnes 8. MJ Hoggard 9. AR Caddick 10. C Blythe 11. H Strudwick +	England I XI 1. R Subba Row 2. BC Broad 3. N Hussain 4. G Gunn 5. PH Parfitt 6. BA Stokes 7. JT Murray + 8. R Illingworth * 9. CM Old 10. SJ Harmison 11. M Hendrick	England J XI 1. AE Stoddart 2. G Pullar 3. CB Fry * 4. MW Gatting 5. KWR Fletcher 6. PD Collingwood 7. AFA Lilley + 8. W Bates 9. GAR Lock 10. GR Dilley 11. PJ Loader	England K XI 1. C Milburn 2. CAG Russell 3. DS Sheppard 4. MH Denness 5. DW Randall 6. G Ulyett 7. BR Knight 8. DG Cork 9. G Duckworth + 10. GG Arnold 11. AP Freeman
England L XI 1. CF Walters 2. RW Barber 3. MA Butcher 4. RH Spooner 5. GA Hick 6. JWHT Douglas * 7. RWV Robins 8. PR Downton + 9. RJ Sidebottom 10. JK Lever 11. JT Hearne

Have we done the K captain?

 

[the big bambino]

That's pretty generous - at the time the series was won (i.e. when England won the 3rd Test to go 3-0 up) he'd taken fewer wickets at a worse average than all of the other main bowlers (Larwood, Tate and Geary).

He took 4/7 in the first test and a michelle in the third that kept the run chase in the last innings achievable.

 

[AndrewB]

The 4-7 was in the second innings when Australia were chasing 742 with 2 men absent hurt, and fell 675 short - Larwood's 6-32 in the first innings was clearly more significant.
His five-for in the 3rd Test was important, but even that was mostly dismissing the tail.

Obviously it's a bit unfair on him to ignore the 4th Test (where he took 13 wickets), but in the first 3 he was definitely just part - and not the most significant part - of an effective attack; as were, say, Miller and Emburey in 1978-9, or Appleyard in 1954-5.

 

[Flametree]

Tremlett

Fowler
Ward AX

 

[the big bambino]

The 4-7 was in the second innings when Australia were chasing 742 with 2 men absent hurt, and fell 675 short - Larwood's 6-32 in the first innings was clearly more significant.
His five-for in the 3rd Test was important, but even that was mostly dismissing the tail.

Obviously it's a bit unfair on him to ignore the 4th Test (where he took 13 wickets), but in the first 3 he was definitely just part - and not the most significant part - of an effective attack; as were, say, Miller and Emburey in 1978-9, or Appleyard in 1954-5.

Ha look that’s true about the first test and I agree that Larwoods was the greater contribution but I don’t discount the third at all. Our tail had some runs in it and even another 30 may have done for England. Still your point is fair and Larwood, Tate and Geary made greater contributions in the first five innings of the rubber and the top order in the Aus second inns at Melb. His effort at Adelaide was magnificent though and by that stage Aus was rising and Eng tiring. If I could backtrack on my statement I’d recast it saying it was probably the best effort by a spinner out here since WW1, along with Tayfield.

 

[AndrewB]

Tayfield in 1952-3 I wasn't aware of - what a great series he had.

There's certainly not many others who had a significant impact in a series their team didn't lose - Kumble in 03-4 and Titmus in 62-3 also played a big role in avoiding defeat.

I get the impression that Larwood and Tate had rather bowled themselves into the ground by the last Test and a half in 1929, England having used only 5 bowlers in the whole series*, and of those Hammond was used sparingly (he was, to be fair, busy scoring 900 runs). It looks an unbalanced tour party, with only 3 pace bowlers (Larwood, Tate and Geary) plus Hammond, 3 spinners (Staples went home ill, Freeman didn't play in the Tests) and 9 batsmen plus Ames.
It was a shame for White that his 13 wickets at Adelaide came after the series was decided, and that when he stood in as captain for the final Test England lost.

*ignoring a few overs from Jardine and Leyland.

 

[AndrewB]

Dean Headley
Brian Luckhurst, Graeme Fowler

 

[NUFAN]

England M XI
1 Jack Robertson
2 Charles Barnett
3 Reg Simpson
4 Mike Smith
5 Bob Wyatt
6 Freddie Brown
7 Geraint Jones+
8 Fred Titmus
9 Simon Jones
10 Neil Foster
11 Chris Tremlett


England N XI
1 Graeme Fowler
2 Bob Wyatt
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11

 

[NUFAN]

England K XI
1. C Milburn
2. CAG Russell
3. DS Sheppard
4. MH Denness
5. DW Randall
6. G Ulyett
7. BR Knight
8. DG Cork
9. G Duckworth +
10. GG Arnold
11. AP Freeman

- Name the Eng K captain above
- Name the M captain

- Name the Eng N number 3 batsman
- Select the Eng N keeper
- Name both opening bowlers

 

[Teuton]

Bob Wyatt will be busy playing in both the M & N teams

 

[Starfighter]

Bob Wyatt will be busy playing in both the M & N teams

 

[jimmy101]

I was going to say something about that a few days ago but forgot. Re-vote on the Eng N opener required.

 

[Starfighter]

Sheppard
Smith

Steele
Dick Spooner
Rumsey
Fielder

 

[Teuton]

Denness
Brown

Walter Read
Buttler
Geary
Defreitas

 

[NUFAN]

Haha, sorry. Wyatt out, ill ask for tye second opener after we get a few more votes this round.

 

[jimmy101]

Brown
Denness
Ramprakash
G MacGregor
Attewell
DeFreitas

 

[Flametree]

Brown F
Denness

Clive Radley

Steve Finn
George Geary