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All Time England XI game

a massive zebra

International Captain
Very disappointed to see a pretty much unanimous vote for probably the very worst captain in the long history of the English national team. MacLaren was an arrogant, overbearing and unreliable man who lost every series as captain at a time when England were blessed with some of the best resources of natural talent in their history. What's more, he is chosen at the expense of a contemporary who inspired England to lift the the Ashes for the first time in years having lost the previous three series under MacLaren's captaincy.

According to Plum Warner, MacLaren was a pessimistic captain who considered himself beaten before the match even began, and was prone to be critical rather than constructive when things were going badly. MacLaren's biographer Michael Down concluded "He was too inflexible to suit everyone who played under him."

Also, he made his fair share of selectoral mistakes, most notably the omission of a fast bowler at The Oval in 1909.

Furthermore, Monty Noble remarked "If there was a weakness in his general method of attack it was a tendency to give his stock bowler too long a spell at the crease." The most striking example of this was his merciless use of Barnes in 1901-02, who, having won the first Test with a marvellous performance, broke down in the second after being bowled down to the ground and could not play in the final three tests of the series. England lost the last three tests comfortably.

Finally, everything in MacLaren's manor radiated supriority, and he regularly made his team mates feel inferior and uncomfortable. To quote C.B. Fry, MacLaren was "an iron and joyless captain... under him you entered every game bowed down with the hurculean labour of a cricket match against Australia; you were as in a trance to your doom."
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
How about we vote for Swann then? Make things real interesting.


I'm more disappointed to see people sticking rigidly with three fast bowlers + one spinner. With Bailey in the team there was a great opportunity to pick Briggs and have someone turn the ball the other way in a two-spinner attack. I'm sure Bowes was a more skilled bowler than Bailey but I don't think he offers more than Briggs to the overall attack.
 

a massive zebra

International Captain
The captaincy of Graeme Swann would certainly be more eccentric and unpredictable! His crazy punts wouldn't always pay off, but Swann would almost certainly be a more inspirational leader who was more likely to get the best out of his players.
 
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AndrewB

International Vice-Captain
I admit I picked MacLaren as captain reluctantly, thinking he was the only one in the team who'd ever captained England, but even that isn't true.

But then we've already had Dexter as captain, and his captaincy never gets much praise from his contemporaries.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Void my vote for MacLaren too. Had no clue about the stuff brought up by zebra.

No Swann either **** that. Give it to one of the middle order bats.
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
FWIW I've changed my vote to Bailey. He was captain of Essex for a number of years and was a known thinker and conniver, which I like. I don't really know enough about Shrewsbury to vote for him.
 

Teuton

International Captain
Hmm i just voted for him since he was the only test captain i could think of. I wonder if there are others who had the same negative reviews?

At the risk of this being a slippery slope in which any captain vote could be off-put by actual research... change my vote to Bailey
 

watson

Banned
MacLaren was impulsive as a capatain but he did have his moments.


Archie MacLaren’s amateurs fell Warwick Armstrong's mighty Australians in one of cricket's greatest fairytales

Many an armchair fan may have examined the performance of a national side and boasted “my team could beat them”, safe in the knowledge that they’ll never be required to prove it. Michael Jones looks back to August 30, 1921, when the former England captain Archie MacLaren claimed that he could pick a team to defeat the all-conquering Australian side — and did so.......

Brief scores:
England XI 43 (Warwick Armstrong 5 for 15, Ted McDonald 5 for 21) & 326 (Aubrey Faulkner 153, Hubert Ashton 75; Ted McDonald 6 for 98) beat Australians 174 (Warren Bardsley 70; Michael Falcon 6 for 67, Aubrey Faulkner 4 for 50) and 167 (Clement Gibson 6 for 64) by 28 runs.

Archie MacLaren?s amateurs fell Warwick Armstrong?s mighty Australians in one of cricket?s greatest fairytales - Cricket Country
 
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a massive zebra

International Captain
A comparison of England's results in the Ashes series captained by MacLaren and not captained by MacLaren between his first series as captain and the start of the first world war make stark reading.



So a summary of the match results by captain gives:



And a summary of the series results by captain gives:



So England lost every series under MacLaren's captaincy and won all but one series under another captain. Moreover, England lost three series at home, all under MacLaren, and won two series in Australia, both under someone else. Have the results of any Test side ever varied so much depending on who was captain?
 
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NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
England E XI
1 A MacLaren*
2 A Shrewsbury
3 J Trott
4 P Mead
5 E Paynter
6 J Bairstow+
7 T Bailey
8 G Swann
9 B Voce
10 A Fraser
11 B Bowes


England F XI
1 C Washbrook
2 M Vaughan
3 W Edrich
4 K Duleepsinhji
5
6
7
8
9 B Peel
10
11
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
- Name the England F new ball pairing
- Select the Eng F XI keeper
- Name the number 5 batsman
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
England F XI
1 C Washbrook
2 M Vaughan
3 W Edrich
4 K Duleepsinhji
5 R Smith
6
7 J Parks+
8
9 B Lockwood
10 B Peel
11 K Farnes
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
- Name the England F XI number 6

- Select the England F 3rd quick or second spinner
 

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