Ajmal Action Reported

[harsh.ag]

It was just a bad jokes assfaces. Smali, stop making them!!

 

[BoyBrumby]

If he played more Andy Ellis would be in grave danger of a trip to the lab.

As it is I'll go: Rayudu.

 

[Migara]

If Migara is simply suggesting that we randomly test some (but certainly not all) bowlers who don't get reported in any addition to those who do get reported to establish somewhat of a control, then I actually agree with him 100%.

I think people may be dismissing what he's said a little too eagerly because he's been abrasive and tin-foil-hat-ish about this issue in the past. He's suggesting something very sensible here.

Glad finally somebody understood what i've been trying to elaborate. Still I am for testing everybody in match situations, but that goal is utopian. However random testing will help to get at normal limits of extension during bowling as well as their variance.

Still I have strong feeling that the cutoff of 15 degrees where the visual jerk is apparent has no credibility with new testing protocol. They have to re do a pilot project to see whether the number is the same when new lab procedures are used. People extending it 40 degrees looks unreal to believe.

 

[Migara]

Because basic geometry and logic totally makes this necessary? Ok.

It makes sense if the measurement is objective. No crappy subjective naked eye assessments.

 

[cnerd123]

Dhawan has got to be tested if he ever bowls in a Test again.

Moeen might get a look in too.

 

[uvelocity]

Glad finally somebody understood what i've been trying to elaborate. Still I am for testing everybody in match situations, but that goal is utopian. However random testing will help to get at normal limits of extension during bowling as well as their variance.

Still I have strong feeling that the cutoff of 15 degrees where the visual jerk is apparent has no credibility with new testing protocol. They have to re do a pilot project to see whether the number is the same when new lab procedures are used. People extending it 40 degrees looks unreal to believe.

its not. ajmal looked clearly like a 45 degree angle if not more

 

[smash84]

its not. ajmal looked clearly like a 45 degree angle if not more

Please, let's not start this all over again.

Are you even trying to read what he is saying?

 

[zaremba]

It makes sense if the measurement is objective. No crappy subjective naked eye assessments.

I can completely see the logic of your position.

The problem is that the 15 degree threshold is all about the naked eye. It's an arbitrary cut-off based on what the naked eye can (supposedly*) perceive. It was famously the cut-off point which allowed a certain high-profile off spinner to keep on bowling. Remove "subjective naked eye bollocks" and who's to say that 10 degrees isn't the proper cut-off? In which case, it would have been bye-bye to Murali's career**.

* I do wonder how on earth they ever came up with that particular assertion. Given that we all disagree about all sorts of bowlers' actions.

** At least as an off spinner. For someone with a supposed inability to straighten his arm, he seemed to do pretty bloody well bowling leg-breaks with a straight arm. Massive leg breaks at that.

 

[Migara]

I can completely see the logic of your position.

The problem is that the 15 degree threshold is all about the naked eye. It's an arbitrary cut-off based on what the naked eye can (supposedly*) perceive. It was famously the cut-off point which allowed a certain high-profile off spinner to keep on bowling. Remove "subjective naked eye bollocks" and who's to say that 10 degrees isn't the proper cut-off? In which case, it would have been bye-bye to Murali's career**.

* I do wonder how on earth they ever came up with that particular assertion. Given that we all disagree about all sorts of bowlers' actions.

** At least as an off spinner. For someone with a supposed inability to straighten his arm, he seemed to do pretty bloody well bowling leg-breaks with a straight arm. Massive leg breaks at that.

Looks like you've taken this out of context. Firstly the post is aimes so called straight elbow bowlers. In reality there are non like that. Everybody has their extension. Secondly, the 15 degree limit was set by using Dr. Elliott's equipments and 15 was the value where the jerk started being visible. Now my point is that, this 15 cannot be used raw to decide similar facts when using new equipments. Firstly the tolerance limit has to be calculated for the PARTICULAR EQUIPMENT.

And on the rantesque foot notes:
1). The value where the "jerk" apperas in bowlers actions is variable. Bowlers with flexion deformities show ti well before 15, and ones with hyperextension shows it well pass 15.
2) Under 10 degree law Murali would have continued as a offie without doosra. But Pollock and McGrath might have got banned.

 

[Migara]

Please, let's not start this all over again.

Are you even trying to read what he is saying?

Don't worry, reading things properly is not one of his best suits.

 

[uvelocity]

writing anything somewhat useful or interesting clearly not amongst your own repertoire

 

[watson]

Don't worry, reading things properly is not one of his best suits.

 

[ankitj]

I wonder if any seamers will be reported or if this crackdown will be spinners only?

Narine - Daemon
Hafeez - Cribbage
Mills - BeeGee

Narine - Daemon
Hafeez - Cribbage
Mills - BeeGee
Smali - Ankit

Think I won.

 

[Esperance]

The above lines are straight although they look bent ... this is similar to cricket bowler Ajmal's action.

 

[Bahnz]

Champions League T20 2014 news : Adnan Rasool reported for suspect action | Cricket News | Champions League Twenty20 | ESPN Cricinfo

Well that didn't take long.

 

[GGG]

An article on cricinfo said that bowlers can still bowl in domestic cricket, surely this is wrong? If it is correct then why would Rasool even care.

 

[OverratedSanity]

It feels so so good to finally call Ajmal a filthy chucker without anyone objecting. Lots of awesome fast bowlers coming through and pathetic cheating shotputters getting banned. Tis a golden age for cricket.

 

[Daemon]

I wonder if any seamers will be reported or if this crackdown will be spinners only?

Narine - Daemon
Hafeez - Cribbage
Mills - BeeGee

Dammit.

Still confident Narine will be reported soon enough though.

 

[Prince EWS]

I wonder if any seamers will be reported or if this crackdown will be spinners only?

Narine - Daemon
Hafeez - Cribbage
Mills - BeeGee

Rasool obviously doesn't count because he only plays domestic cricket, so I win:

Dolphins v Lions, CLT20, Group A, Bangalore : Mohammad Hafeez reported for suspect action | Cricket News | Champions League Twenty20 | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Prince EWS]

Actually, according to that article, none of these reports actually interfere with their ability to play international cricket, so it's still on!

I've obviously got the inside running with Hafeez reported by the BCCI though..