Abdul Qadir vs Subhash Gupte

[sayon basak]

My vote is for @sayon basak 's father

Abdul Qadir might be a bit better than Warne.........who didn't have a proper googly, usually bowled in the rough and is generally overrated.

 

[Thala_0710]

Just think he is the single most overrated cricketer in the history of the sport and Gupte is closer to any spinner who isn't Warne-Murali-O'Reilly, than to him. Actually the 3 out of 6 voted were kind of meme ones here.

Overrated by the general public? Definitely

 

[Johan]

switched to ABD btw

Switch back to Compton

also, you rated Compton above ABD in the Three Ws + Harvey + May/Compton rating we did.

 

[sayon basak]

Just think he is the single most overrated cricketer in the history of the sport and Gupte is closer to any spinner who isn't Warne-Murali-O'Reilly, than to him. Actually the 3 out of 6 voted were kind of meme ones here.

Gupte is better than Warne.

 

[Johan]

@sayon basak I've switched back, you better do it too or...

 

[sayon basak]

@sayon basak I've switched back, you better do it too or...

Subhash Gupte was the best leg spinner.

Subhash Gupte>Abdul Qadir>Shane Warne.

 

[Johan]

Subhash Gupte was the best leg spinner.

Subhash Gupte>Abdul Qadir>Shane Warne.

switched to Gupte

 

[sayon basak]

switched to Gupte

Gupte was the greatest leg-spinner ever, well ahead of Warne who didn't have a proper googly, resorted to bowling into the rough, and was generally overrated.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Overrated by the general public? Definitely

General public some. And by ex players egregiously so. Especially Benaud and Gooch, it's just yucky.

 

[Coronis]

iirc Clarrie Grimmett didn’t have a proper legbreak, he just kept bowling the flipper. Piss poor spinner

 

[capt_Luffy]

iirc Clarrie Grimmett didn’t have a proper legbreak, he just kept bowling the flipper. Piss poor spinner

Don knew that Frank Ward was better.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Root is better than Kallis and Ponting at batting atleast, if you got Qadir over those guys, may god help you.

Is it so evident that Root is better than both? Things can go other way around too

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Here's peterhrt's post on some of his opinions:-

Sobers wrote a long Foreword for Richard Sydenham's book of all-time teams in 2010. His opinions included the following.

Gavaskar was the best Indian batsman, ahead of Tendulkar. Gupte was the greatest leg-spinner ever, well ahead of Warne who didn't have a proper googly, resorted to bowling into the rough, and was generally overrated. Bedi and Prasanna were top class, Datta Gaekwad and Chandra Gadkari two of the finest cover fieldsmen he had seen.

Excluding himself, Keith Miller was the best all-rounder. Botham was the most gifted of the 1980s all-rounders but didn't fulfil his potential.

Hutton, a back foot player, was the leading English batsman, followed by Dexter. Other English batsmen were too negative, notably May who didn't hook, Barrington, Boycott and Cowdrey who had a lot more ability than he showed in Tests.

Adding what he said elsewhere, he seems to consider Weekes the greatest West Indian batsman and a particularly impressive hooker of fast bowling.

Has he mentioned anything about Kallis who is considered as his successor. Just like what Bradman said about Tendulkar

 

[peterhrt]

Has he mentioned anything about Kallis who is considered as his successor. Just like what Bradman said about Tendulkar

The only South Africans Sobers mentioned in his Foreword were Richards, Procter and Graeme Pollock.

The book featured 100 all-time teams picked by various ex-players. Number of votes for South African cricketers were as follows:

17 - Barry Richards
10 - Graeme Pollock
4 - Kallis
3 - Donald, Tayfield
1 - Adcock, Goddard, Gary Kirsten, McGlew, Shaun Pollock, Procter, Waite

 

[Coronis]

Some more of Sobers musings from that.

“Apart from Keith Miller and possibly myself, there’s been no better all rounder than Alan [Davidson].”

“When English players played shots and got out they were told that it wasn’t good enough and that the idea was to stay there for as long as they could. Kenny Barrington once told me what an attractive batsman he used to be, but he scored a quick 30 in one match and was dropped. It took him a long time to get back into the England team, so when he got another chance he scored 40 in three hours and was picked for the next Test and the next after that. Kenny wanted to play for England and that’s what he had to do to play.”

“I know he kept telling people that he was a great bowler, but he actually was. Other people who think they’re great or thought they were great are more diplomatic, but that was Fred [Trueman] for you and we should honour his achievements.”

“Graeme [Pollock] was slightly different because he played a few more Tests and has been classed as a great player, but I still don’t think that he can be in that category either because he didn’t play enough Test cricket (23 Tests). If Jimmy Adams had retired when he had an average of 84 he would have been statistically the second-best player to Bradman - how false would that be?”

“Jimmy Adams bowled over the wicket into the rough and caused a lot of problems but was he a great bowler? I accept that Shane Warne is a great of his era, but I’m not sure about overall. I don’t think someone apparently so great should rely on the rough as much as he does. People obviously rate great players differently.”

Liked to use Jimmy Adams as a standard apparently.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Does not look like Sobers was particularly fond of Pollock..... Think those "Best Left handed Batsman" comparisons really got to him.

 

[Coronis]

Does not look like Sobers was particularly fond of Pollock..... Think those "Best Left handed Batsman" comparisons really got to him.

Well it was more of a thing about how he should be classed with Richards and Procter as “potential greats who were cheated because they weren’t able to play the amount of Tests they should have played”. He clearly felt 23 wasn’t enough. He also mentioned Lawrence Rowe wrt that (30 tests)

 

[ankitj]

Subhash Gupte because Garry Sobers said so.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Here's peterhrt's post on some of his opinions:-

Sobers wrote a long Foreword for Richard Sydenham's book of all-time teams in 2010. His opinions included the following.

Gavaskar was the best Indian batsman, ahead of Tendulkar. Gupte was the greatest leg-spinner ever, well ahead of Warne who didn't have a proper googly, resorted to bowling into the rough, and was generally overrated. Bedi and Prasanna were top class, Datta Gaekwad and Chandra Gadkari two of the finest cover fieldsmen he had seen.

Excluding himself, Keith Miller was the best all-rounder. Botham was the most gifted of the 1980s all-rounders but didn't fulfil his potential.

Hutton, a back foot player, was the leading English batsman, followed by Dexter. Other English batsmen were too negative, notably May who didn't hook, Barrington, Boycott and Cowdrey who had a lot more ability than he showed in Tests.

Adding what he said elsewhere, he seems to consider Weekes the greatest West Indian batsman and a particularly impressive hooker of fast bowling.

With the exception of the Gupte over Warne bit, the other stuff were pretty reasonable.

 

[capt_Luffy]

With the exception of the Gupte over Warne bit, the other stuff were pretty reasonable.

Sobers kinda compared Warne's bowling with Jimmy Adams'.... I don't think Sobers really rated him at all.