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9th Match - New Zealand v England

Who will win this match?

  • New Zealand

    Votes: 11 84.6%
  • England

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .

Zinzan

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I love the way Boult moves. He looks a quality athlete. Did he play anything else apart from cricket?
Not sure about his sporting prowess outside cricket, but I know what you mean about his movements. Almost that Javelin thrower athleticism.

To pay him the ultimate compliment, you'd say there are shades of Akram to his bowling.
 

_Ed_

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Ha, enjoyed Doull's description as he recapped the Ballance wicket.

"Ballance with a very unusual shot..."
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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I know Cook wasn't in great form, and he was cast as the millstone holding England's ODI side back, but I can't fathom how he isn't a better international ODI option at this stage than Gary Ballance. Bring in Cook, and you don't need to have such a poor compromise in Bell and Ali opening and the balance of the batting line up looks much better. Not saying necessarily that Cook would score more than Ballance, but the ODI game has changed and having openers score slowly (Guptill gambit) isn't a bad thing if you can preserve wickets to take advantage at the end of the innings. To that end, Cook would have been a better option. I think England's ODI batting planning is one World Cup too late as having some impetus up top was more important in past tournaments when run rate 10 over splits were more uniform.
 

Zinzan

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england have done alright to be only 3/60; they've batted much, much worse than that.
Don't think we've bowled all that well either tbh. Apart from two beauties from Southee, I think all 3 pacers have been marginally below their respective pars.
 

Athlai

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I know Cook wasn't in great form, and he was cast as the millstone holding England's ODI side back, but I can't fathom how he isn't a better international ODI option at this stage than Gary Ballance. Bring in Cook, and you don't need to have such a poor compromise in Bell and Ali opening and the balance of the batting line up looks much better. Not saying necessarily that Cook would score more than Ballance, but the ODI game has changed and having openers score slowly (Guptill gambit) isn't a bad thing if you can preserve wickets to take advantage at the end of the innings. To that end, Cook would have been a better option. I think England's ODI batting planning is one World Cup too late as having some impetus up top was more important in past tournaments when run rate 10 over splits were more uniform.
Surviving the first 30 and launching has been our very successful strategy all summer. England definitely have the players to do something similar.
 

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The quality of this thread has exceeded the match so far. I'm dishing out likes left, right and centre.
 

Athlai

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Don't think we've bowled all that well either tbh. Apart from two beauties from Southee, I think all 3 pacers have been marginally below their respective pars.
Harsh IMO.

Only Milne has looked below par.

This isn't really what you'd normally say is ideal conditions for either Southee or Boult. Boult started a bit poorly but has looked good on his recent overs.
 

Cabinet96

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I know Cook wasn't in great form, and he was cast as the millstone holding England's ODI side back, but I can't fathom how he isn't a better international ODI option at this stage than Gary Ballance. Bring in Cook, and you don't need to have such a poor compromise in Bell and Ali opening and the balance of the batting line up looks much better. Not saying necessarily that Cook would score more than Ballance, but the ODI game has changed and having openers score slowly (Guptill gambit) isn't a bad thing if you can preserve wickets to take advantage at the end of the innings. To that end, Cook would have been a better option. I think England's ODI batting planning is one World Cup too late as having some impetus up top was more important in past tournaments when run rate 10 over splits were more uniform.
Cook's a weird case because when he was playing well he was a better ODI player than any of the current top 3. But his form in all cricket has just been so awful for 18 months. A lot of people made it out to be him not being suited to modern ODI's, but that was never the issue.

Edit: If Cook scores well in his first couple of test series I'd get him straight back in the ODI side if there's an obvious vacancy.
 

Zinzan

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Harsh IMO.

Only Milne has looked below par.

This isn't really what you'd normally say is ideal conditions for either Southee or Boult. Boult started a bit poorly but has looked good on his recent overs.
I did say marginally. Perhaps Southee's been at least as good as usual, but Boult & Milne both below their recent form.
 

Athlai

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Cook's a weird case because when he was playing well he was a better ODI player than any of the current top 3. But his form in all cricket has just been so awful for 18 months. A lot of people made it out to be him not being suited to modern ODI's, but that was never the issue.
I think Cook may have not been perfectly suited to pre-two new ball ODIs where the strategy for all teams was to pile on the runs in the first 20, keep them in hand and launch in the death.

Now teams have to be a little more cautious at the start of the innings. I don't think a second new ball would slow Cook down at all if he could find form.
 

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